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Former Presidential Candidate Proposes Executive Order Declaring Obama Ineligible
The Post & Email ^ | 8/11/2018 | Sharon Rondeau

Posted on 08/12/2018 5:10:28 AM PDT by Elderberry

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To: Elderberry

Did you see this?

41 posted on 08/12/2018 8:03:27 AM PDT by Beckwith (The Democratic Party is an ongoing criminal enterprise.)
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To: Elderberry

No thanks. If enough Americans weren’t smart enough to see that Obama was ineligible, there’s no reason to declare it in an executive order. In fact it looks like a trap.

42 posted on 08/12/2018 8:08:36 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: Uncle Sham

“This is simply ANOTHER election time stunt to pit blacks against whites so as to anger the blacks into staying on the Democrat plantation.”

This is correct. There is literally no other reason than this to bring up the issue.

43 posted on 08/12/2018 8:10:44 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Elderberry

File this under things that will NEVER happen.

44 posted on 08/12/2018 8:11:49 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Beckwith

“Did you see this?";

Absolutely. There were several threads about this back in July.

45 posted on 08/12/2018 8:16:02 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

So he’s a wack-doodle.

46 posted on 08/12/2018 8:16:57 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Looks like it.

47 posted on 08/12/2018 8:17:53 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

The SCOTUS has never directly ruled on the meaning of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the constitution with regard to POTUS eligibility. But in SCOTUS cass wherin they have given a definition of what a NBC is, Minor vs Haperstatt, Wong Kim Ark vs US, Perkins vs Elg,) they defined an NBC as a person born of TWO, count them TWO citizen parents (the parents don’t have to be NBC) and born in one of the states of the Union, or the territories.

The authors of the 14th amendment, in the Congressional debates on the matter, also defined an NBC in the same manner. Rep. Bimgham and Senator Jacob Howard were the principal authors of the 14th amendment. Here is a quote from Howard which clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment in 1866, which was to define citizenship. He stated: “Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”

Until this matter is formally adjudicated by the Court, I will defer to their NBC stare decisis definitions. Obama and a host of others were not, are not, and can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.

Whatever one thinks what the meaning of Article II, Section 1, clause 5 is, it is clear that the adoption of the 14th amendment did not alter it in any constitutional sense. How else can you account for the fact that the constitution only specifies for the office of senator and representative citizenship for a period of 9 and 7 years respectively, while the constitution requires the POTUS, to be NATURALLY born, owing allegiance to no other country? That is the ONLY constitutional provision for NBC. Obviously, there is a singular distinction with regard to that office. Under Jamaican and Indian citizenship law, for instance, Kamala Harris, thru her parents, owed allegiance to both of those countries AT HER BIRTH. It was conferred upon her by those countries citizenship laws, just as valid as our own.

The framers of the constitution were patriarchs. (Yes I understand that is completely out of tune with modern sensibilities, but nonetheless it is true.) They believed that the citizenship of the FATHER was conferred upon his children. SCOUTUS incorporated in toto the ENTIRE 212th paragraph of Emerich De Vattel’s Law of Nations in their 1814 Venus merchantman case as they defined what an NBC is. Here is the money quote that Justice Livingstone that was cited when he wrote for the majority, “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”

I suspect the reason that many do not want this issue formally examined is that they wish to foster and enhance the globalist influence on the office of POTUS. The NBC requirement was never intended to be a guarantee of allegiance, but a safeguard against undue foreign influence on the office of POTUS, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. The oath of naturalization requires a formal and legal renunciation of any prior national allegiances.

Jennie Spencer-Churchill, known as Lady Randolph Churchill, was a natural born US citizen, and a British socialite, the wife of Lord Randolph Churchill and the mother of British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill.

Under US citizenship law at the time of Churchill’s birth, despite the fact that his mother was a NATURAL BORN US citizen, she could not transmit her US citizenship on to young Winston owing to her marriage to a foreign national, Sir Randolph Spencer Churchill, who was Winston’s father. That would not be legally allowed until the passage of the Cable Act of 1922, well after Churchill’s birth in 1874. The Cable Act only confers citizenship, NOT NATURALLY BORN citizenship. It did not refer to, or alter the meaning of an Article II, Sec. 1, clause 5 “natural born citizen” in any way.

Churchill was granted HONORARY US citizenship by an act of Congress on 9 April 1963. It was understood that his birth to a an NBC citizen US mother in Great Britain did not make him a citizen by law.

This is just one more indication of the fact that Obama, Cruz, Rubio OR Harris can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to the office of POTUS. We need to have this issue finally adjudicated by SCOTUS for the first time in US history, and finally get a definitive answer one way or another.

We have enough naturally born anti-american, anti-constitutional cultural marxists in our country now who aspire to be POTUS. I say let’s eliminate all those who don’t even meet the basic Article II criteria. Winnow the opposition.

48 posted on 08/12/2018 9:09:57 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: exnavy

Obama became President when his election was certified by the House and then took the oath of office. There is nothing in the Constitution that provides for reversing either of those. So what the hell are we spending one more minute on this for? We have so much more to do to crush the rat bastards in the upcoming election. This stuff is a complete waste of time

49 posted on 08/12/2018 9:24:30 AM PDT by j.havenfarm ( 1,500 posts as of 8/10/18. A FReeper since 2000; never shutting up!)
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To: DMZFrank; LucyT

An excellent posting!

Thank you.

50 posted on 08/12/2018 9:24:49 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

McCain was born to American citizen parents on a US military base, which, as far as I understand, is sovereign American soil.

51 posted on 08/12/2018 10:00:56 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: DMZFrank

We have wasted far too much time on the natural born citizen requirement from Article Two, Section Two. We should, instead, focus on the requirement that you must be at least 35 years of age. The Twentieth Amendment, Section Three REQUIRES that the President-Elect must qualify or Congress is instructed to name a new President. It is quite obvious that Obama never produced a valid birth certificate, which to me, indicates that he does not possess one. How do you prove your age without a valid birth certificate? You can’t. Since he could not have qualified, he could never have been a legal President. He was a usurper, with the blessings of BOTH political parties. A thief, put in place by the globalist whose primary job was to steal Ten Trillion dollars from the American taxpayers and give it to them. Any harm done to America was icing on the cake.

52 posted on 08/12/2018 11:30:42 AM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: nevermorelenore
things don’t jive


53 posted on 08/12/2018 1:14:31 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: newfreep

The only thing more pathetic than a never-Trumper is a never-Cruzer.

The election is over. We won.

Go back to Russia.

54 posted on 08/12/2018 6:01:53 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Jewbacca


Still ignoring & rejecting the reality of the US Constitution and defending the Canadian.

hussein44, is that you?

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To: DMZFrank
Great reference post. Nice job!

May we, the people, reclaim our heritage from the usurpers!

President Donald J. Trump can fix this and I hope and pray that he does.

56 posted on 08/13/2018 9:10:30 AM PDT by GBA (Belief => Reality. Choose and test beliefs carefully. Your reality depends on it.)
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To: Elderberry
"8. Pacifism is moral"

If the 6th Commandment in your bible reads, "Thou shall not kill," you need to find yourself an obliging Rabbi and ask him to read to you the same passage from the original version.

57 posted on 08/13/2018 10:53:25 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: DMZFrank
...Kamala Harris, thru her parents, owed allegiance to both of those countries AT HER BIRTH.

This has always puzzled me. How does one inherit allegiance?

Allegiance can only be willingly granted and can be revoked at any time.

Being a subject has nothing to do with pledging allegiance to a country (or a cause).

58 posted on 08/13/2018 11:04:04 AM PDT by semimojo
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