Posted on 08/05/2018 6:06:33 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
Joe Biden is leading the Democratic field in some early polls asking voters about the party’s prospective presidential candidates in 2020.
But in his old stomping grounds in the U.S. Senate, there are plenty of skeptics who point to the former vice president’s age, his support for the Iraq War and his two failed presidential bids as reasons to doubt he would be successful.
“It’s hard to see someone [winning] who voted for the Iraq war. People are looking to turn the page,” one senior Democratic aide said.
A second senior Democratic aide said “polls show that voters want someone who is new.”
Biden, 76, served for decades in the Senate before his election as vice president.
A Democratic senator who requested anonymity to comment on Biden’s chances said “polls this early don’t mean anything” and argued a Politico/Morning Consult survey published Wednesday that showed Biden leading Trump 44 percent to 37 percent among registered voters doesn’t mean much since it didn’t poll other candidates against Trump.
Other Democrats noted Biden’s failed bids for the White House in 2008 and 1988 to argue that he might not be a strong candidate in 2020.
A spokesman for Biden declined to comment for this story.
Perhaps it’s not surprising to find skeptics of Biden in the Senate even among Democrats, given the number of Democratic senators thinking about running for president.
Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.) are all seen as likely candidates, and they might not be the only Democratic senators running.
Biden also has his supporters, who argue that he’s a strong bet to win back white working-class voters who abandoned the party in three key states: Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
“I’m a big fan of Biden. We need to win back white voters in the Midwest and Biden can do it,” said a veteran Senate Democratic aide.
The aide said Biden could have an unobstructed shot at appealing to working-class and white male voters in a primary — especially if Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) doesn’t run for president.
Many think Biden will run for president, and he would start out a race with a number of advantages.
Polls showing Biden at the top of Democratic wish-lists likely reflect Biden’s high name identification and ties to former President Obama, a revered figure in the party.
Obama’s first retrospective job approval rating as measured by Gallup in February was 63 percent — a point higher than Bill Clinton’s and 10 points higher than George W. Bush’s.
Just last week, Biden and Obama visited at a bakery in the Georgetown neighborhood of Washington, D.C., together — a photo opportunity that did nothing to dissuade those who think the former vice president will run for the White House.
What ever they think of Biden’s chances, Democrats feel their party has a good chance of knocking off Trump in 2020.
The Politico/Morning Consult poll found a generic Democratic candidate doing even better than Biden and leading Trump 48- 35 percent.
Still, Alan Kessler, a Wilmington, Delaware, native and a longtime Biden supporter who backed Hillary Clinton in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary, said the poll will encourage Biden to think more seriously about running.
“If you’re toying around [with running for president] and you get a poll like that, certainly you have to be encouraged,” he said.
Former Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), Biden’s longtime Senate colleague, said it’s “not surprising at all” that a poll would show Biden “in a very positive light at this point” because of his “substantial name recognition” from being in public service a long time.
Dorgan is predicting a big presidential field in 2020 and “Democrats will have a lot of choices to make.”
He thinks Biden will start with a lead in the crowded field but expects “we will see new leaders emerge.”
He says the desire for a fresh face is “one of the things that Joe would have to overcome” but added “he will be someone that a lot of Democrats will look at very fondly because he’s provided leadership for a long while.”
Liberal activists argue that Biden’s weaker performance versus Trump compared to a generic candidate shows that the party is ready to nominate a more outspoken progressive.
“He’s basically a Democratic placeholder that has universal name recognition and is kind of stand-in for people. When they think Biden, they think Obama,” said Neil Sroka, communications director for Democracy for America, a nationwide liberal grassroots activist organization.
“The next Democratic nominee and I believe the next president is going to be an inclusive populist champion. Period. Bar none,” he said. “The idea that you’re going to run in 2020 on a neo-centrist agenda is beyond ludicrous, especially in a big dynamic Democratic primary.”
They may reach the conclusion the only way to take out Trump (a white man) is with another white man.
Paul Ryan was offered up as a tackling dummy and played the part to the hilt as Biden romped to a predetermined victory.
Trump would absolutely make mincemeat of a doddering, out of touch Biden especially with the Don’t Hit The Girl/Minority card unavailable to the cynical Dems. On the other hand, Trump mostly ignored that ‘rule’ in humorously and accurately stating that Hillary should be jailed.
I’ve noted a very apparent trend among Democrats to claim they are ‘populist.’
It’s clear they regard this as a means to siphon votes from Trump ie an actual populist.
How Trump Won Re-election in 2020
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/3674192/posts
Joe Biden huggin’ Hillary Clinton:
http://trofire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/biden_clinton_34243-1068x561.jpg
Even Hillary finds it quite uncomfortable:
http://img.ccrd.clearchannel.com/media/mlib/15172/2016/08/default/biden_hug_0_1471342492.jpg
I’m thinkin there are unlimited photos and videos out there of Joe “hands on/shotgun” Biden. Pretty sure I read someplace he never got how to take advantage of the DC gravy train.
Irrelevant. He’ll get endless top cover from the MSM on those issues.
Probably most surveyed don’t have a clue who Biden is.
Hillary will see to it that Biden perishes in an unfortunate plane crash.
Crazy Joe 2020!
Go with Shotgun Joe!
There are many photos, a great many of which have been posted on FR over the years, of touchy-feely Biden inappropriately touching teenage girls and women, from a creeped out daughter of Delaware Senator Coons to the wife of SecDef Ash Carter.
The #MeToo types would not be able to hold their tongues, at least if they were honest (a big IF), but the GOP would have a field day with those images of Biden acting pervy.
There isn’t a worthy candidate among Democrats.
Of all of the potential 2020 candidates....Biden would be the toughest competition even at his age against Trump, however the results that Trump will present by 2020 to the working class whites and the rest of Americans (economic factors)will negate any potential gain Biden could have received in wooing them.
A drowning accident while skinny dipping around the female SS agents that are stuck protecting his worthless hide.
Early polls favor Biden but Senate officials skeptical
Senate officials skeptical? The whole country , if not the world, is skeptical. Slow Joe couldn’t find his own ass with both hands...at high noon...in Timesquare...with pre printed directions. He obviously needs help to put on his socks in the morning, not to mention pulling up his zipper. Mega Moron!
One problem ,votes sure but you need to win states ,LOL
“The next Democratic nominee and I believe the next president is going to be an inclusive populist champion. Period. Bar none,” [Neil Sroka, communications director for Democracy for America, a nationwide liberal grassroots activist organization] said. “The idea that you’re going to run in 2020 on a neo-centrist agenda is beyond ludicrous, especially in a big dynamic Democratic primary.”
Translation: “Biden is dumb, but not dumb enough. We’re going to run some foaming-at-the-mouth, hard-core commie like Fauxcahontas, Kamala Tamale, or Crazy Bernie. Or maybe we can run Maduro.”
If they believe Biden is their best shot at taking Trump down they're run Biden.
Whether he can win or not will depend on many, many news events between now and 2020 that have yet to happen.
“Fast hands” Biden. What a creep.
Yes! Yes, please. I hope he runs, daggone it.
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