Posted on 08/01/2018 8:22:43 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
Reagan killed everyone with kindness. There was nothing they could dig up on him.
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Trump listens to everyone. There is nothing “they” can dig up on him. Zero Zero Zilch since he took office!
NOW, consider the FACT that the times are different. In Reagan’s time people still “dressed” for dinner, when traveling, even when just going shopping. Manners were important. How you looked was important. Ladies still wore hats and gloves and didn’t spout off with vulgarities that would make a salty sailor blush. TIMES have CHANGED. President Trump heeds the old adage: Fight Fire with Fire! He is NOT a “Participation Trophy” president. He is NOT seeking a “Safe Space” when things get rough. He is EXACTLY what the patriots of this country have been since the beginning. He stands up for the country that he loves so much, come hell or high water. He is saving this country from within and without. Better to compare him with George Washington. They are cut from the same cloth.
Your entire post had nothing to do with the original subject matter where you are scared of Trump’s words.
You claim you want effective leaders but when you get one in Trump you absurdly dismiss them as being too tough.
You can’t have a milquetoast wussy and a leader too.
You are correct on all counts, of course. I still say Trump does not need to tweet (and it is begging for trouble), but he has been successful largely with his brutal bluntness.
It is hard to describe, but unmistakeable when present. I disagree with anyone who basically states Reagan was a push-over just because he was jolly, kind, and polite. I have no clue why they would suggest such a thing. The evidence points otherwise.
(BTW, it’s amazing how everyone seems to be turning on Reagan now just because he’s not Trump, or acted like him. Seems we have a new idol here.)
No, YOU implied (as I stated) very clearly that BUSHES continued the “presidential” polite approach and it failed. That they were the same as Reagan.
My point was you are comparing apples and oranges. Bushes were nice but push-overs, even RINOs, unlike Reagan. That does NOT prove that being “presidential” is a loser.
I seem to remember FR complaining about Uhbama being less than “presidential” (much less Klintoon). Guess we can never use that complaint again.
Trump does what previous Presidents could not.
He JUMPS right over the lyin’ news outlets and talks to us directly.
GENIUS! It’s a different time and a different world today.
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Uh, go back to my original post to you. I didn’t mention Bush. I only went to Bush after your reply spoke of Bush. I think you have me confused with someone else.
BEING POLITE IS NOT WUSSY.
BEING INSULTING IS NOT TOUGH.
I am sick of that nonsense equation set.
Your post:
‘Being diplomatic, or “presidential”, has resulted in the left attacking conservatives and advancing its socialist agenda unabated. Trump has demonstrated that taking punches and smiling about it is not a winning strategy’
Your implication is that Reagan, Bush and Bush II were all “presidential” and that HAS (your words) resulted in attacking, etc. Then that Trump etc.
Sorry, but that is the implication. You were talking about Republican presidents. Thus did I “switch” to Bush because that implies that Bush and Reagan are the same. (They are not.)
Unless you meant to include all the GOPs in Congress. But that was not clear.
What he evidently meant by that phrase was that we have the team that we have today. So stop saying things like "If only we had Larry Bird, we might have won that game..."
Ronald Reagan is not walking through that door either. So it's time to stop comparing every president against him. We have the president we have and we could do a lot worse (have done a lot worse) than Donald J Trump.
Also, I say that Trump should keep on tweeting. It is the main reason he won the election and the only way he is able to reach the people during his presidency as the media won't give him a fair shake. Hell, they wouldn't even show his speech last night.
Wow, you read way more into my post than I ever stated. You drove it there, not me. Peace. Not a big deal.
I was referring to comments made yesterday at the Trump rally, where Trump said he would rather not be presidential if it meant playing politician instead of serving the people who elected him (not an exact quote).
love-making when they caress their “phones” constantly.
OR GET KILLED LOOKING DOWN INSTEAD OF WHERE THEY ARE GOING.
I must be getting too old?/S
Defending Trump does NOT mean one is turning on Reagan.
They were different men, living in somewhat different times.
During Reagan’s time the Dems were just turning into moonbat crazy lunatics that could not be reasoned with. Reagan was a bit slow to pick-up on this as it was a radical change from his era.
Trump came into office KNOWING how deranged his opposition was, and the only tactics that could deal with them effectively. Reagan did not have the benefit of his hindsight. (Perhaps he would not have had the stomach for his tactics, we’ll never know).
Trump, by his own admission on Election Night, is going to make some mistakes.
I’m afraid there is plenty to dig on Trump. He got enough flak when he wasn’t in politics (i.e., he was just a bad ol’ rich guy), when it didn’t matter as much. He clearly has some moral issues, both women and property.
(BTW, even in the ‘80s we were not traveling looking good. I wish that was the case but no. Pretty much everything went in the toilet thanks to the ‘60s.)
Comparing Trump to Washington is incorrect, if you want to talk politeness. Washington was more akin to Reagan (albeit not as jolly a soul, especially as president). He was ALWAYS worried about propriety and even the APPEARANCE of immorality and the like, and he was not one to spout off or even an angry word. He was pretty fond of imposing glares.
George and Reagan were similar both in character and in carrying out the office, and facing challenge. Being polite did not mean either of them was a “wuss” or push-over, at all. They just did not believe in burning bridges with everyone.
It was brought up by the article, and several replies early, not I.
Read some of the posts, never mind other threads.
Many, many, are all gung-ho Trump (i.e., better not say anything bad) and also start belittling Reagan. I mean, implying he’s a wuss because he was nice? Wasn’t as tough as Trump? Etc.
A good analogy for today’s society.
I’m afraid there is plenty to dig on Trump. He clearly has some moral issues, both women and property.
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Oh really? So called moral issues went out the window with President Kennedy and President Clinton. Neither was a paragon of virtue. I remember the late night excursions across Lake Worth if variouswomen who visited Prresident Kennedy’s yacht. I could even name names at the time. Clinton’s turning of the oval office into a whore house is well established. Trump had the moral fortitude to divorce before he remarried. Both of his former wives support him and his children are outstanding examples of upright Americans, in sharp contrast to the anti-American offspring of so many of the Hollywood set as well as government big wigs. Would you hire Chelsea Clinton?
I was on the Palm Bach scene for many years and know the real story. President Trump set Palm Beach on fire when he welcomed BLACK members to his Mar A Lago club. Yet he is called a racist!!!!!!! When Palm Beach raised hell over his huge American Flag at Mar A Lago and fined him because the flagpole was too tall, he paid the fine of $100,000 on the condition the money went to the Veterans Hospital in West Palm Beach. Palm Beach agreed. The money was transferred to the Vet Hospital (where my oldest son receives treatment.)Then Trump cut off the flagpole and moved it to a higher place on his property so the flag still flies at the same height as before. Hahahahahahahaha! I have been a supporter of Donald Trump since the day he declared his candidacy and will fight with him for the return of America to American values and the Constitution as it was written until the bitter end.
I do not vote for the Pope. I vote for a strong, brilliant LEADER of this country in her hour of need! God Bless Donald Trump and the U S A!
IMHO the similarities between Reagan and Trump start with the excruciating performance of their predecessors. It is said that a successful president rarely has more than one signal accomplishment - but Reagan had four. Ronald Reagan:It takes a pretty bad presidential predecessor to leave that much possibility for improvement on the table - but Jimmy Carter managed it easily. When I mention inflation and unemployment, understand that Carter left both of them in double digit annual percentage rates. Inflation didn’t go Weimar Republic, but it was a serious threat. When you went shopping and saw prices that you wouldn’t have considered paying two months ago, you weren’t confident that you could find a better price elsewhere tomorrow. It was prudent to stock up on nonperishable items. And Jimmy Carter (and the rest of the Democrat Party) believed in the Philips “Curve.” That is, in their worldview there was an inevitable tradeoff between low inflation, on one hand, and low employment, on the other. Unemployment was too high to make increasing unemployment tolerable, but that was their idea of the sovereign remedy for inflation, which was also getting intolerable. The Democrats were in a box of their own imagining.
- Got the country going again,
- Whipped inflation,
- tamed the Energy Crisis, and
- Transcended Communism.
Jack Kemp was the first (of that era) to publicly state (already during the Ford Administration) that the problem of low federal revenues was not caused by tax rates being to low, but because tax rates had gotten so high that they were stifling the economy. Up to then (at least in the post-Depression era) Republicans had always fought against high Democrat spending and, after they lost, fought for a balanced budget by raising taxes. Inflation was always the bugaboo to Republicans, myself included. But historically Calvin Coolidge had nipped a depression (before the Great Depression, “depression” was the normal term for what has been called a “recession” since then) in the bud with a tax cut. And (Democrat!) JFK boosted the economy in the early 1960s the same way. So Reagan adopted “supply side economics,” as it was then called - and beat Carter by about 50% to 40% (with a rump Republican candidate who you and I would now call a RINO gleaning the other 10%).
The upshot was that (from the depth of the recession which broke inflation to the end of his term in 1989) federal tax revenues essentially doubled. Reagan also deregulated natural gas prices, and that caused a supply surge - and NG prices dropped so much that drillers who had financially supported Reagan in 1980 sat out the 1984 election cycle because they didn’t have the money.
The USSR was expanding its influence during the Carter Administration, invading Afghanistan and threatening Pakistan. But the USSR was an economic paper tiger at the time, and Regan believed the people who said so, and ignored those who didn’t believe that. Reagan was right, and ultimately the USSR folded during the GHWB Administration.
Trump followed another terrible president, but one whose depredations were more intentional and insidious. Taxes were too high, and regulation was intrusively burdensome, but Trump was able to reset that tax problem a year ago, and his underlings have been beavering away on the regulation front. Thus, he has "gotten America going again.” With no inflationary side effect to mention. But the snake in the grass is what Obama did with, and to, the intelligence agencies. And what Establishment Journalism has been doing. Trump has been treading carefully, and is working to get his (our) enemies to “jump the shark” and demolish their own reputations. But that is a work in progress.
Reagan was able to name some good, and a couple of mediocre, SCOTUS justices. And that left SCOTUS with two mediocre justices in a position where either one was enough to allow justices who never should have been on SCOTUS to write majority opinions. Things had deteriorated so much that at 8 o’clock on Election night 2016 we were dreading that SCOTUS and the lower courts as well would be gone over to the dark side for a generation. By winning, and by virtue of the “Reid Rule” which nuked the filibuster for judicial appointments, Trump has been vigorously turning that around. If he is reelected and if a vacancy among the Democrat-appointed SCOTUS justices opens up, SCOTUS might actually be a solid defender of the Constitution again by the time Trump retires. Always assuming continued Republican control of the Senate.
The conclusion is that Reagan came into office when we needed him, and was dramatically successful. And was never given full credit by Democrats, especially by those of them who were/are reporters. Trump came into office when we needed him, and so far has been dramatically successful. But as Margaret Thatcher’s speech at Reagan’s funeral pointed out, we are bereft of Reagan, "but we have something Ronald Reagan never had. We have his example.”
Trump has Reagan’s example, and has acted like it. The reason I wasn’t initially on board with Trump in the primaries is that he had theretofore never made it clear that he respected that example. If the Democrats get the kind of defeat this November that they richly deserve, Trump will be in a position to vindicate his supporters’ fondest hopes.
Excellent post. Thank you.
I agree with you, I want Trump to be Trump. I am tired of this endless trying to compare Trump to Reagan and wanting Trump to be more like Reagan.
Reagan in many instances was overrated and wasn’t as Conservative as people think. Reagan was good for his time but he never fought the Elitists like Trump has and tried to tear down and expose the establishment for their corruption as Trump has.
Reagan was too nice to much of the time, Trump is a New York street fighter and that is what is needed.
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