Posted on 07/31/2018 9:38:04 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
You idiot. Buying wine is not the same an importing labor to undercut US wages.
“Because citizens are not “products” you idiot. They vote and are human beings not like buying raw bauxite.”
Labor, like bauxite is a commodity.
One trick that the high tech companies use when they want to hire cheap H1-B labor is to claim in the job description (say, for a programmer) that the candidate must be bilingual.
Sometimes they even require “foreign travel/work experience.”
Then they can toss any resumes sent in by Americans so the Indian or Pakistani gets the job (e.g. the Awan brothers who stole the Congressional emails in DC).
“You idiot. Buying wine is not the same an importing labor to undercut US wages.”
Actually, it’s the exact same thing.
If I buy a bottle of Malbec from Argentina, that means there is a bottle of American wine that will not be bought.
However, I should have the right to purchase the wine I prefer.
“Where does it end? “
Let’s let the market and not the federal government decide that question.
Apples. Oranges.
“I have heard first-hand stories of people in silicon valley having to train their H1B replacements (who work for much less).”
Our labor is not worth what we wish it to be worth, our labor is worth what the market decides that it is worth.
A lot of this hiring is a scam.
Foreign job recruiter finds people desperate to come to U.S. They then charge $40 or $50 thousand dollars as a fee for finding job in U.S. Then goes to employer in U.S. and agrees to pay a portion of the fee to the American employer, who then gets the H2-B visas.
Even in well-off Korea, you have people paying this money, people with college degrees, to go pick pine nuts in Georgia. They think once they get to the U.S. it will be paradise and once they get their foot in the door they can stay permanently. Then they get to the U.S., they are put in substandard housing, and then expected to work 10-12 hours a day in the hot sun, something they have never done before. Ironically, these recruits are educated people who should know better.
I was watching a show on this on Korean TV. Don’t see it covered in the news here.
If you equate humans to a bottle of wine it says a lot about you and your lack of basic common sense, politics and humanity.
PS: Nobody is as stupid/ignorant as you so I know you really don't believe what you are saying.
Butt u 4get the issue of employment & wages in ur non-sequitur.
“Apples. Oranges.”
Not at all.
Labor is a commodity and the price of labor fluctuates and is imbedded in the price of every product we buy.
Now, suppose you owned a company, does your bottom line give a damn between what you spend on materials and what you spend on labor?
Again, labor is a commodity, and is embedded in the cost of every product and that cost is embedded in that product just as the cost of the raw materials are embedded into every product.
At your place of employment, do they pay employees the amount of money the employees want, or do they pay employees the amount of money that market dictates that they are worth?
I would agree inside the USA but not across INTERNATIONAL borders, then economics becomes political.
The flaw in your plan is we humans and citizens, much to your chagrin, get to vote for protectionists and nationalists to foil your foolish and dangerous globalism. This beats having to get violent to thwart globalism.
Globalists, and the socio/economic damage they cause, are throwing electorate into the arms of the socialists.
Except this commodity gets to vote and thwart your open border anti American labor economics. Ha ha. Stuff it Sue.
No it’s not.
There are import duties on that wine, so that when its sold in the USA, the pricing is aligned with US produced wines. US wineries are able to compete on the price point. The Malbec might even cost more.
The H1B program is designed specifically to get around the US market cost of labor via Government handouts of H1B visas.
So yeah...the Federal Government is in essence an active player in a wage suppression scheme. Big difference and not free market at all.
Not even close to ‘the same’. But I can tell from your response you don’t really think these things through too thoroughly.
Beat me to it. The entire H1B "program" is all about driving wages of highly skilled information technology workers DOWN here in the U.S.
H1B: End it, don't "mend it."
Let the market decide.
I do not need the federal government fix the market in my interest.
Instead, I will be more innovative and build my own competitive advantage.
However, I know that some industries want the nanny state to stifle their competitors’ innovation.
Let me do my job and keep the government out of my business.
That’s all I ask.
“Now, suppose you owned a company, does your bottom line give a damn between what you spend on materials and what you spend on labor?”
Yes, because the quality of the item has an impact on your sales. The knowledge of health, safety and production improves with a trained workforce. Complex tasks depend on knowledge... knowledge that requiring employees to replace their out of country replacements does not transfer well enough. The relationship with the customer by long term employees takes a hit then those long term employees are betrayed. The bottom line also depends on the productivity of the labor.
I could keep going with points that you ignore in your poor response.
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