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Ex-New York Chief Judge: It's time to end cash bail
Fox News ^ | Jonathan Limpan

Posted on 07/13/2018 10:43:56 AM PDT by re_tail20

As the former chief judge of New York, I have seen that money bail doesn’t work.

In New York, like most states, a person who is charged with a crime can be required to put down money as bail, serving as collateral to ensure he or she returns to court. If you can pay, you go home. If you can’t, you go to jail.

In other words, if you are wealthy, you can fight your charges from home with the help of high-end lawyers. If you aren’t, you may have to defend yourself from behind bars, represented by a public defender who is hard-pressed and more than likely overloaded with other cases.

In New York City, only 12 percent of the people who have bail set can pay immediately. The other 88 percent are transported to the infamous jail complex on Rikers Island.

Rikers is a particularly awful place – so bad that an independent commission that I lead determined that the only way to fix Rikers is to close it forever. But whether you are sent to Rikers or any other jail, you are entering a harsh and often dangerous environment that isolates you from your loved ones, your livelihood and your community.

Some people can make bail within a few days, usually relying on money collected by family and friends or borrowed from commercial bondsmen, who charge high fees. Many others stay in jail for months or even years as their cases wind through the courts.

Even a short time in jail can harm your job, your family and your reputation. It can expose you to violence or criminal influences. All this happens before you have been convicted of any crime.

The consequences do not end at the jail doors. Studies show that spending just a few days...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bail
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1 posted on 07/13/2018 10:43:56 AM PDT by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

Women and children of bail bondsmen hardest hit.


2 posted on 07/13/2018 10:47:01 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: re_tail20

My personal opinion is that just as I try to avoid certain countries, I also try to avoid certain cities.


3 posted on 07/13/2018 10:48:16 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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p01c

Just make sure you show up or he'll come looking for you.

4 posted on 07/13/2018 10:49:10 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: re_tail20

Is this guy an idiot? Drunk?

He spends all his time here writing about how bad jail is. Then he wants to end the bail process that would get you OUT of jail?

Idiot.


5 posted on 07/13/2018 10:49:56 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Snickering Hound

40+ years later, still a very funny movie.


6 posted on 07/13/2018 10:50:30 AM PDT by BBQToadRibs
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To: re_tail20

A judge also used a person’s wealth and resources to flee to set bail.


7 posted on 07/13/2018 10:51:10 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: re_tail20

As a judge who also magistrates, it’s been my experience that many of the people I see in jail have been arrested on warrants for not only the underlying offense, but for failure to appear after having released on personal recognizance bonds. I believe there’s a better way, but just release on PR bond isn’t it for many offenders.


8 posted on 07/13/2018 10:52:04 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Common sense tells us that no one should be forced to pay to be free. This idea is taking root across the political spectrum. Supporters include: Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.; the Koch brothers; Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif.; and Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.”

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This. This tells me all I need to know about this idea.

Idiots. Idiots everywhere.


9 posted on 07/13/2018 10:53:05 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

He sounds like a liberal lamenting how having more money produces better results, so I bet the endgame is releasing everybody on OR, possibly coupled with astronomically increasing bonds on the wealthy and/or just denying them bail entirely, because, you know, wealthy, or Trump, or something. It’s just not FAIR, don’t ya know.


10 posted on 07/13/2018 10:53:22 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

He actually makes sense. If someone is in for the first time, small crime, why have a big bail? If a multiple offender, then hammer him.


11 posted on 07/13/2018 10:54:07 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: re_tail20
DemocRATS want Justice to end and MS-13 (Pelosi's children) to rule with them.

Bounty Hunters do a great job of making sure as many folks go to court as they promised. DemocRATS want them off Scott Free for they're votes. It's all about votes folks and the DemocRATS will get them illegally and any way they can so they can Overturn America and Implement Command and Control Socialism.

Do you Doubt it?

12 posted on 07/13/2018 10:55:50 AM PDT by CptnObvious (uestion her now.)
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Common sense tells us that no one should be forced to pay to be free.

Now I KNOW everything in this article is a lie. Common sense has never even seen this guy at a distance, much less had a conversation with him.

13 posted on 07/13/2018 10:56:26 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: rstrahan

I read the article. He does not make those points anywhere.

This guy is a catch and release liberal.


14 posted on 07/13/2018 10:56:56 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: re_tail20
But whether you are sent to Rikers or any other jail, you are entering a harsh and often dangerous environment that isolates you from your loved ones, your livelihood and your community.

Here's a novel idea: Don't break the law. Problem solved.

15 posted on 07/13/2018 10:58:48 AM PDT by econjack
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To: re_tail20

Bail should be obsolete. Unless you’ve committed assault, rape or murder, there’s no reason to hold anyone behind bars.


16 posted on 07/13/2018 10:59:05 AM PDT by goldstategop (Croatian babes look thedThe In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: re_tail20

Anything to keep a certain group out of prison and the crime records.


17 posted on 07/13/2018 11:01:30 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: re_tail20
The current system usually works.

If the accused has no history of violence, has strong ties to the community—a stable family, a steady job, owns a home, lives with and supports his children, etc., low bail or no bail will be the case.

However, someone with no fixed address, no strong ties to the community, no steady job, a history of violence, etc. presents a flight risk.

In general I'm in favor of eliminating onerous bail. The most outrageous and unconstitutional case is that of Paul Manafort. His bail has been set at $10,000,000. That's TEN MILLION DOLLARS for someone accused of a nonviolent, white collar crime, someone with strong ties to society and the community.

Horrible murderers and violent criminals have lower bail set. Manafort poses no flight risk, or danger to anyone. Anyone with half a brain knows that if convicted Paul Manfort will be pardoned eventually. Mueller's case is an exercise in futility.

This is completely unconstitutional. If that is not unconstitutional, then nothing is. I'm surprised why all the civil rights zealots like the NYT, Washington Post, ACLU, and other have not taken up this cause.

18 posted on 07/13/2018 11:07:25 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (MAGA in the mornin', MAGA in the evenin', MAGA at suppertime . . .)
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To: goldstategop

Good points. Non violent accused don’t need to be in jail awaiting trial.

If we routinely jail non violent accused until trial, I might agree these people have a point.


19 posted on 07/13/2018 11:07:27 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: econjack
Here's a novel idea: Don't break the law. Problem solved.

What does that have to do with this article? The article is about people who are detained pre-trial because they cannot afford bail. Pre-trial, as in they have not been convicted of a crime. The law still affords those people the presumption that they have not broken the law, until it is proven to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt at a fair trial that they have.
20 posted on 07/13/2018 11:10:04 AM PDT by The Pack Knight
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