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SCOTUS sides with Christian baker in same-sex wedding cake case
The Washington Times ^ | 11:32 a.m. on Monday, June 4, 2018 | Alex Swoyer

Posted on 06/04/2018 9:31:01 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a Supreme Court that actively upheld our Constitution without concentrating on making it a money-tree for lawyers?

But then they are lawyers first.


21 posted on 06/04/2018 9:56:57 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It also lets the baker, who is probably near bankruptcy by now, spend even more money on his continued defense.


22 posted on 06/04/2018 9:57:18 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Is 7-2 decisive?


23 posted on 06/04/2018 9:59:35 AM PDT by SMGFan (Sarah Michelle Gellar is on twitter @SarahMGellar)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Because the constitution protects religious liberty not the ability to be offended.


24 posted on 06/04/2018 10:02:17 AM PDT by Snowybear
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To: SMGFan
"I seen this decision called “narrow”. What a load of manure!"

While the issue presented to the court was narrow, the decision itself was not.

25 posted on 06/04/2018 10:03:28 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SMGFan
"Is 7-2 decisive?"

Certainly 7-2 is decisive but the questions and arguments will be "decisive of what?"

26 posted on 06/04/2018 10:04:43 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Steely Tom

How they gonna stop him from selecting a SCOTUS Nominee?
Even in the last year we can pull the:

“This is a re-election of the president election, not a new president election, so he has the right to select his nominee and have it voted on.”

It would drive the Liberals even more crazy, which would be an added bonus.


27 posted on 06/04/2018 10:04:44 AM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: Gen.Blather
I suspect that the limited nature of the ruling was an attempt by the court to negotiate an adjudication that was more than 5/4. Therefore they kept watering it down until they got the extra two votes. Probably, a full-out win was not possible even at 5/4. I think the conservative Supremes probably did the best they could.

That's possible. But the Court was also limited to ruling on the laws in place at the time. Things have changed since 2012.

28 posted on 06/04/2018 10:07:46 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SMGFan
It depends on what they mean by narrow.

Vote-wise, it was wide.

Legally, it was narrow in that it did not address the core issue: does the baker have to decorate a cake (it's not the cake or the customers at issue, but the design, don't forget) in a way which goes against his religious beliefs?

Sending it back to a commission which has already demonstrated its antagonism for Christians would seem narrow, as in narrow-minded. But that's just me.

29 posted on 06/04/2018 10:10:20 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: circlecity

IMHO It puts pressure on these fascistic state commissions to give respect and deference to religion and religious belief in their decision making procedures.

Excellent signal

“The justices, in a 7-2 decision, said the Colorado Civil Rights Commission showed an impermissible hostility toward religion”

http://news.trust.org/item/20180604150452-eu3tg


30 posted on 06/04/2018 10:10:35 AM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
You are one of the few to appreciate exactly how “narrow” this decision is. E.g. we will reverse in this time and this place this decion on the grounds of evident lack of neutrality towards religion, but circumstances have already changed and we might now hold the same again on the same issue were it to come before us again.

IOW a self-cancelling SC decision written on special paper that auto ignites and burns up as you read it.

31 posted on 06/04/2018 10:10:53 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: logician2u

But if it were 5-4 against baker it would be earth shattering?


32 posted on 06/04/2018 10:17:44 AM PDT by SMGFan (Sarah Michelle Gellar is on twitter @SarahMGellar)
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To: Az Joe
"IMHO It puts pressure on these fascistic state commissions to give respect and deference to religion and religious belief in their decision making procedures."

Bingo. And forcing them to recognize that free exercise does apply in these cases is a stake through their heart. All of the acts of "hostility" of the commission which were noted by the court were made in response to the baker's free exercise arguments. The commission was quite hostile in trying to shut down these arguments because they know if free exercise is a right that must be considered then the baker wins. The Court ruled that free exercise is a right which applies and must be addressed.

33 posted on 06/04/2018 10:18:05 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Absolutely, definite win.....and with 7 votes!

Religious belief got a major boost today, MAJOR!


34 posted on 06/04/2018 10:25:24 AM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: AndyJackson
I agree, but as I've remarked here and elsewhere since this case was first taken up, the legal arguments themselves were narrow. The court did not hear any arguments concerning anti-discrimination laws, rather the specifics of enforcement/compliance, trying to jump through a religious loophole to get an exemption specifically for the cake baker.

It could take decades to restore the once-honored right of the seller of goods or services to choose who he or she wants to sell to. "Public accommodation" laws have all but destroyed that natural right, implicit in the right to one's own property.

35 posted on 06/04/2018 10:30:43 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: AndyJackson

Exactly. It is on a timeline of “we’ll revisit this as soon as a few million more of those Deplorables move on to that great Tea Party in the sky”.

If every voter over 40 dropped dead tomorrow Leftism would steamroll to total victory.


36 posted on 06/04/2018 10:34:26 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The problem comes the moment you decide that the 5000 year old understanding of the meaning of “marriage” can be overturned by any human lawmaker.

It comes once you’ve abandoned natural law as your basis for civil law. Any law that violates natural law is not law. People used to know that.


37 posted on 06/04/2018 10:36:05 AM PDT by marron
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To: Az Joe
“This is a re-election of the president election, not a new president election, so he has the right to select his nominee and have it voted on.”

It would drive the Liberals even more crazy, which would be an added bonus.

True, and good thinking.

38 posted on 06/04/2018 10:36:35 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: bk1000

She wasn’t qualified to begin eith.


39 posted on 06/04/2018 10:38:46 AM PDT by Midnitethecat
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

How about this ... a Christian baker gets an order for a normal wedding cake, walks over to a Muslim baker to subcontract that out, video records his transaction of successfully ordering the cake at THAT baker ... and THEN, the next time he gets an order for a GAY wedding cake, he goes through the SAME exercise, naturally gets denied service from the Muslim baker, notifies his customer he cannot do the cake because the baker he uses to subcontract some orders turned him down, and then IF he gets sued for denying service to his GAY customer, he countersues the Muslim bakery for denying his order for a GAY wedding cake.


40 posted on 06/04/2018 10:44:29 AM PDT by zencycler
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