New rule could force EPA to ignore major human health studies

Science Magazine ^ | 4/25/18 | Warren Cornwall

[GOPJ]

The EPA is a liberal cesspool of half baked hysterical fake science. The sooner it’s closed down or reformed to the point of being useful, the better.

[PeterPrinciple]

“All models are wrong; some models are useful.”

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What I learned the first day of statistics 101.

STATISTICS NEVER GIVE YOU AN ANSWER, AT BEST, YOU MIGHT GET ANOTHER QUESTION.

[Eleutheria5]

“The environmentalist say that not using these studies will cost lives.”

All the more reason to make the data and methods available, not just the conclusion.

[Eleutheria5]

Environmentalism is not a scam. I remember the piles of dead fish washing up on the beach in Chicago, and the horrible smell we encountered going through Garry, Indiana. Environ-Mental-Ism is a scam for the reasons you cite and more.

[miniTAX]

“Environmentalism is not a scam. I remember the piles of dead fish washing up on the beach in Chicago, and the horrible smell we encountered going through Garry, Indiana.”

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Ironic that your examples precisely demonstrate environmentalism is a scam, since there is no more dead fish or smell now yet more extreme environmentalism.
So of course environmentalism is a scam. If environmentalists worried really about the environment, they would all volunteer to go to India or China or Brazil or any other s.ithole countries to clean up the real pollution and the horrible smells. But they don’t, QED.

[Safetgiver]

I remember the piles of dead fish washing up on the beach in Chicago,.....Alewives. Look them up. Happens all the time on the Great Lakes. Good thing, too.

[Eleutheria5]

You’re confusing Environ-Mental-Ism with environmentalism. Of course the environment is important. But when the dead fish are gone, and Lake Michigan is teeming with life again, and Gary Indiana doesn’t stink of sulfur, an environmentalist declares victory and let’s out a greenhouse gas emission to celebrate, usually carbon dioxide from a cold beer.

But an Environ-Mental-Ist demands more and more regulation, because he believes mankind is not a steward of the earth, charged with tending the planet and helping it prosper, but an evil intruder.

Terracing mountains isn’t a way to reduce erosion, but an evil exploitation that obstructs the natural process of erosion, and even worse, is used to grow food that is sold for a profit.

Teddy Roosevelt’s development of the Clamath basin dam in partnership with the farmers who use the waters for agriculture must be stopped! The suckers need all of the water if there’s a drought, and if you’ve got a problem with that, why you’re a racist because once the Indians used to worship the fish, or some dumb thing that they don’t do anymore, so they must be preserved at all costs!

That is the difference between Environ-Mental-Ism and environmentalism. I’m not too sure the former is not a cult instead of a scam. Maybe it’s both. But real concern for the environment is fine and dandy. Let’s let Californians clear away the brush in the woods, so it doesn’t catch fire and burn up all those snail darters or whatever they are, and they can repopulate and not be an endangered species anymore. Or how about transporting cheetahs to Malibu, where they won’t be in competition with lions, and they can prey on slow-running leftard joggers in designer shoes.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

About time. Just because a person or group of people who are either legitimate scientists or self-proclaimed scientists say something is so, doesn’t mean it is.

That why Kemeny’s Scientif Method was for a long time the basis of scientific research. It set a pattern of discovery as well as a basis for standards by which to judge a hypothesis, research and conclusions.

It is time that “voodoo science” (Bill Nye the Science Con Guy) was put back in the pack. We have enough P.T. Barnums’ and Al Sharpton/Tawana Brawleys hogging the media scene with their hairbrained research and unsubstantiated conclusions.

Science is supposed to be an honorable profession, not an employment center for con artists and 3rd rate PhDs.

Just for the record, my BA and post graduate studies were in Anthropology, Archaeology and Geology/Paleontology, with a 65+ year interest and participation as an amateur (very amateur) astronomer. Did field/lab research on Conodonts (microfossils) as a Teachers’ Assistant in the Geology Dept. at my university, field archaeology work for the SW Chapter of the Maryland Academy of Sciences/Archaeological Society of Maryland, spent a couple weeks at Tikal, Guatemala on the Outer Area Project,and helped my granddaughter to be able to identify 30 species of dinosaurs by the time she was 5 (we have a few bones in the basement, dinos, not humans, yet).

Science is great. You can enjoy it, learn it, and even make contributions to it as an amateur or a professional. We need to keep the “honorable” in its job description.

[miniTAX]

“That is the difference between Environ-Mental-Ism and environmentalism.”

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I see your point but there is no need to use an unpractical wordplay. It’s much simpler to use the established terminology, environmentalism to invoke the wackos, and conservationism to designate the sincere and implicated nature caretakers.
BTW, environmentalism is not just about the control freaks’ fetichism for regulations. It’s also a lot of ignorance, distrust of science and superstitions leading to the belief in a myriad of falsehoods. For example, one of the dogma of environmentalism is to let nature take care of itself, with no intervention of the evil man, then biodivesity will thrive, and blablablah. It’s utterly false. Any conservationist worth his salt, (the real one, who spends years of his life and tons of his own money to try preserving one single species of a virtually unknown plant) knows that given to its own design, nature’s biodiversity decreases precipitously because only the most invasive and aggressive species will remain. There are many examples of this in Lomborg’s or Driessen’s books.

[ken in texas]

re. STATISTICS NEVER GIVE YOU AN ANSWER, AT BEST, YOU MIGHT GET ANOTHER QUESTION.

Indeed, we can do wonderful things with statistics. ;-)