http://www.conservapedia.com/Walter_Duranty
Posted on 04/01/2018 6:13:55 AM PDT by BeadCounter
On Thursday, March 29, the US state of Massachusetts announced through its Ukrainian Embassy the state’s decision to recognize the Holodomor of 1932-1933 as genocide of the Ukrainian people.
“Another American state joined the recognition of the Holodomor of 1932-1933 in Ukraine as a genocide against the Ukrainian people,” Massachusetts Governor Charles Baker stated in a corresponding proclamation.
Currently, the Holodomor in Ukraine is recognized as genocide in the US states of Washington, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and now Massachusetts.
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Genocide was happening in Syria and Iraq during the obama administration. Will Massachusetts recognize that?
Not saying they shouldn’t recognize genocide that happened in Ukraine.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Walter_Duranty
This only took 96 years.
Maybe they will take another brave stand 96 years from now.
Amazing that MA can admit that Stalin did bad things. And it took them less than 100 years to realize this.
Oh goody. We don’t have enough biased news already being punched here now we get to have a Ukraine/Russia focused feed
States are not responsible for foreign policy for starters
Recognizing past evils does nothing to stop current ones or prevent future ones
"US state of Massachusetts announced through its Ukrainian Embassy"
And, they don't have embassies.
What on Earth is the purpose of a US state, or the national government for that matter, “recognizing” some remote event in which its people played no role as “genocide”?
Shouldn’t this be recognized nationally and not just state by state?
The more I have read about the Holodomor, the more sickened I have become. The YT videos are something else. I read in the last couple of years that a movie was or is to be made about it, but I have learned little since.
I never heard a single word about it in school and I only learned about it in adulthood.
But, but, Walter Duranty said the Children weren’t starving, they were only hungry. There was no Holocaust in the USSR, people just mysteriously disappeared and were never found. Mostly those who disagreed with the Government. The NKVD just shot and buried the people and planted orchards over them. Those who were shipped to the Archipelago were buried in the permafrost after their service in the mines. If what the Russians did was not a Holocaust what the hell was it? A cleansing? It only takes 33% of the population to control the rest, let it be a lesson learned and a warning. Don’t call it conspiracy, call it a lesson from the past.
If you haven’t read it already, I recommend Robert Conquest’s “The Harvest of Sorrow”. There are some newer treatments, which might have new source information but have too much conscious interest in the genocide aspect as an academic issue. Conquest wasn’t into being confused.
“Recognizing past evils does nothing to stop current ones or prevent future ones.”
Ignorance is the problem, not the solution. If people want to expose the deeds of communism, or any other evil past or present, to an ignorant world, I’ll take it.
True, but it gives "people that identify as victims" of whatever an excuse to shake down taxpayers for memorial to "this, that, and the other thing".
During the Big Dig in Boston, and a number of groups came out of the woodwork to hold up construction on nonexistent grounds to get some "memorial" built to whatever non-American-involved "event" happened in another part of the world decades ago.
I don’t disagree with your comments, and they actually are an argument against “genocide” in Ukraine.
The academic debate over the Holodamor is whether the GOAL of the Stalinist terror-famine in Ukraine, mass deportations of kulaks to arctic forestry camps and Siberia, forced requisitions of scarce grain from Ukraine for export, etc., was “genocide” (i.e., primarily, destruction of Ukrainians as a people), or just class warfare, politics, and the rough implementation of communism by a murderous regime. The countryside, especially in Ukraine, voted for the Socialist Revolutionary Party in the elections to the 1918 Constituent Assembly and local Soviets; the south was a major theatre during the Civil War, with “bandit” rebellions thereafter; and, Stalin “needed” to control the grain production of Ukraine to finance industrial development for the proletariat (Marx considered peasant farmers to be petti-bourgeois wannabees).
The thirst to emphasize genocide reflects the social-political values of our times. On the outrage and political sympathy scale, being victims of racial genocide is the gold standard, while being victims of communism gets no love. Blaming it all on “genocide” or ethnic cleansing hides the intrinsic nature of communism, giving it cover it does not deserve. The Holodamor was a “two-fer” situation. Communists used genocide in the furtherance of Stalinist doctrine, and were able to because of communism’s monopoly of power and utter disregard for life or liberty. If Ukraine had been full of pro-Bolshevik, Stalin-worshippers, would they have been exterminated just for being Ukrainian? I think not.
I don’t ever mind sharing of knowledge. That was not my point
Clearly there are equally as terrible things going on and we stand by and do nothing
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