Republicans Produce a $1.3-Trillion Spending Bill That Funds Democrat Priorities

So you have a quarrel with all of modern Western urban civilization.

There may actually be something to that. I don't think i'm the first to notice that very urbanized environments tend to push socialism and "mob rule", and put forth the morality of the lowest common denominator.

Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix -- they're all a part of the same culture and all have the same kind of people in them, and they're what you get in rich countries.

Did you ever wonder why? It is a question I have pondered for a very long time, and i've developed quite a few observations on the issue. Of course quite a few others have noticed the same things i've noticed, and they have written numerous articles on the topic.

Why is extremely wealthy San Fransisco so over the top lunatic liberal?

But you're just as mad at what New York (or "New York") was in 1950 or 1850 when they were very different from what they are now.

Last year I watched an NPR documentary about the coal mining industry and early Unionization. I found quite a few interesting nuggets mentioned in that broadcast, and it reinforced information that I had obtained from other sources. Basically New York set the price of coal. It was not a market based system. The Robber Barons then building the city's buildings decided the price would be such and such, and so that was the price.

The documentary went into quite a lot of detail about collusion between the governments (Fed and States) and the wealthy in protecting the interests of their operations, with government forces if need be.

It is no wonder they saw Teddy Roosevelt as somewhat of a shock after what he did. One of their own started disrupting their cozy little influence scheme, and they didn't like it.

I like to think of Trump as a modern day version of Teddy Roosevelt. He knows how Tammany Hall operates because he grew up fighting in that environment.

I don't think i'm the first to notice that very urbanized environments tend to push socialism and "mob rule", and put forth the morality of the lowest common denominator.

Thomas Jefferson thought that way. His alternative was no improvement.

It is a question I have pondered for a very long time, and i've developed quite a few observations on the issue.

Spare us.

Why is extremely wealthy San Fransisco so over the top lunatic liberal?

That's not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about successful businesspeople in cities like Atlanta or Charlotte or Houston. They don't hate their cities, and they don't hate the modern urban world.

Basically New York set the price of coal. It was not a market based system. The Robber Barons then building the city's buildings decided the price would be such and such, and so that was the price.

That was the Pennsylvania anthracite mining companies. They set production quotas and prices for coal going into New York. Not the other way around.

It is no wonder they saw Teddy Roosevelt as somewhat of a shock after what he did. One of their own started disrupting their cozy little influence scheme, and they didn't like it.

I like to think of Trump as a modern day version of Teddy Roosevelt. He knows how Tammany Hall operates because he grew up fighting in that environment.

Teddy Roosevelt was a New Yorker (as is Donald Trump). Teddy was also the father of big government in America. Ask ProgressingAmerica.

Thomas Jefferson thought that way. His alternative was no improvement.

One's lack of a good solution does not prove there is no problem.

Spare us.

Apparently you didn't notice that I did.

That's not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about successful businesspeople in cities like Atlanta or Charlotte or Houston. They don't hate their cities, and they don't hate the modern urban world

I think Karl Popper is relevant here. I also don't think you are looking at this situation from the right height. You are still too close to "get" the larger arc here.

That was the Pennsylvania anthracite mining companies. They set production quotas and prices for coal going into New York. Not the other way around.

Not according to the documentary, but of course it's PBS, so they could be wrong.

Teddy Roosevelt was a New Yorker (as is Donald Trump). Teddy was also the father of big government in America. Ask ProgressingAmerica.

As I have mentioned numerous times, the father of "Big Government" was Abraham Lincoln and his "mercantilism."

Yes, Roosevelt expanded the regulatory aspect of US government, but Lincoln started much of this stuff we now regard as "subsidies."

The Railroad investors benefited greatly from a lot of the government's give away programs.

As I have mentioned numerous times, the father of "Big Government" was Abraham Lincoln and his "mercantilism."

And I keep telling you, that's not what mercantilism is, but you don't listen.

In the 19th century, the federal government and budget were never as big as they were in the 20th century.

The size of the government and its budget largely returned to to what it had been before the war.

Yes, Roosevelt expanded the regulatory aspect of US government, but Lincoln started much of this stuff we now regard as "subsidies."

What you regard as "subsidies".

I suspect many here -- and the president himself -- don't take such a view of tariffs.

And of course, tariffs didn't start with Lincoln. Nor did government subsidies.

DiogenesLamp: "...the obvious fact that New York and it's assorted Plutocrats more or less control the news in this nation, and their money influences a great deal of the makeup of congress through their contributions."

The New York metropolitan area is roughly 100 miles squared (1/3 of 1% of US territory) holds about 25 million people (8% of total) and produces a GDP of $2 trillion (11% of total).
It is the largest US metropolitan area, by far, but still at least 90% of the US is not New York.

Does New York exercise undue media & political influence?
Maybe, but that depends on your definitions of "New York", "media" and "undue influence".
Consider, does Mark Levin "broadcasting from the underground command post, deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building" in New York constitute New York media?
What about Limbaugh broadcasting from Florida, Savage from San Francisco or Beck from Dallas?
They all go through New York at some point, so is that "undue influence"?

Oh but, you might say, far more people watch the Left's media than listen to conservatives like Levin, right?
And whose fault, exactly, is that, New York's?
And isn't the Left's media central Hollywood, not New York?

And how exactly did "New York" influence Republican Moore voters in Alabama or Saccone voters in Pittsburgh to stay home?
Did Mitch McConnell (Kentucky) or Paul Ryan (Wisconsin) broadcast secretly from "New York" to make Republicans stay home?

The truth here is that about half of Americans live in larger cities, those are mostly Democrats, and half live in suburbs, smaller towns or rural areas, mostly Republicans.
Democrats may indeed pay a lot of attention to "New York media", but Republicans not so much, unless genuinely conservative.

x: "Teddy Roosevelt was a New Yorker (as is Donald Trump).
Teddy was also the father of big government in America.
Ask ProgressingAmerica."

I don't like to blame Teddy for the work of Democrats like Wilson, FDR and LBJ.
In fact Teddy's government was no bigger, relatively, than was Grant's or George Washington's.
They all came in around 2% of GDP, net of debt repayments.

Oh, but, they say: "he laid the groundwork for later progressives".
Maybe, but by that logic you can blame most anyone for anything that came after them.
I don't buy it.

x: "I suspect many here -- and the president himself -- don't take such a view of tariffs.
And of course, tariffs didn't start with Lincoln.
Nor did government subsidies."

The first US tariff passed in 1789.
It's purpose was to fund Federal government, pay off the Revolutionary War debt and protect US manufacturers.
It was signed by President Washington.

The first US Federal infrastructure project (that I can find) was the Cumberland Road (today US 40) in Maryland, passed in 1806, signed by President Jefferson.
Casement Bridge on Cumberland Road, National Highway, built in 1813 in western Maryland.

Maybe, but that depends on your definitions of "New York", "media" and "undue influence". Consider, does Mark Levin "broadcasting from the underground command post, deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building" in New York constitute New York media?

No, he does not. The media that has the most significant effect on voters is the mainstream media systems.

nd whose fault, exactly, is that, New York's? And isn't the Left's media central Hollywood, not New York?

Don't get sidetracked. News comes from New York. Entertainment comes from Hollywood. Both are used to manipulate the public into supporting liberal agendas, but the news has more of a direct effect on the voting portion of the population than does the entertainment people in Hollywood.

Have you never actually examined this problem before?

I have already pointed out that it isn't solely New York, it is just that the Societal/Financial elite of New York function as the center of mass for this whole Plutocracy.

And how exactly did "New York" influence Republican Moore voters in Alabama

You really haven't been looking at this problem. If you had, you would already know the answer to that question.

or Saccone voters in Pittsburgh to stay home?

They had less effect on that race than they did on the one in Alabama. The Democrat basically ran as a right wing conservative, and the people of that district bought it.

Here's some Sultan Knish for you to ignore. Specifically ignore this point he makes.

Media contacts for March for Our Lives are being handled by 42 West. The agency is a full service PR firm operating out of New York and Los Angeles that represents major celebrities. 42 West was supposedly recommended by George Clooney who was one of a number of major celebrity donors.
Where did all those millions of dollars go? Good question.

Read the whole thing.

DiogenesLamp: "The media that has the most significant effect on voters is the mainstream media systems."

Sure, and that's how they elected Hillary President in 2016, right?
Oh, wait....

DiogenesLamp: "news has more of a direct effect on the voting portion of the population than does the entertainment people in Hollywood. "

Depends on your definition of "news".
Are Kimmel, Colbert, Fallon, Meyers, etc. just comedy, are do many pick up their political attitudes from them.
How about Opra or Ellen DeGeneres, just comedy or also political attitudes?

DiogenesLamp: "I have already pointed out that it isn't solely New York,"

It isn't even solely the USA, international socialism or progressivism or whatever they call themselves today, is not even headquartered in the US, much less in New York.
But you use "New York" as your alternative to the more traditional metaphorical words "Babylon" or "Rome" meaning the seat of all wickedness.

I don't think New York deserves such disrespect.
Of course it's not my cup of tea, but some of my daughters lived there for years, and it did not mistreat them, far from it.

DiogenesLamp: "You really haven't been looking at this problem.
If you had, you would already know the answer to that question. "

Of course I know the answer, but I'd like to see you say it: Alabama Republicans did not pay much attention to New York media, why should they?
But they were shocked and dismayed to learn things about Roy Moore at the last minute which would have disqualified him had they known it earlier.

DiogenesLamp: "Democrat basically ran as a right wing conservative, and the people of that district bought it."

Sadly, we Pennsylvanians have always been suckers for Democrats dressed up in Republican clothing.
What can I say?

DiogenesLamp: "The Great Rail Road build out is another example of government provided 'subsidies.' "

And as I pointed out in post #89, the first Federally supported infrastructure project was signed by Democrat President Jefferson in 1806, to build what is today US highway 40 through western Maryland.

Indeed George Washington wanted Federal support for roads & canals, it was one of his reasons for leading the 1787 Constitution Convention -- you can't blame infrastructure on Republicans or Lincoln alone, it's historically bipartisan.

Even Democrat Jefferson Davis, secretary of war in 1853, did a survey for a Southern route of the transcontinental railroad, recommended the Gadsden Purchase from Mexico to make it possible.
Democrat President Polk concurred and the purchase was made, for $10 million, roughly $50 billion in today's equivalence.

Jefferson Davis' $10 million Gadsden Purchase:

Sure, and that's how they elected Hillary President in 2016, right?

This is an example of very bad reasoning. That they were not successful does not prove that they did not have a major impact on the race. They *WERE* successful in 2008 at electing a no-talent, incompetent jack@SS with no experience in anything of any worth, and this jack@ss was elected strictly on the build up of the Media weapon system.

The media also elected that disgusting bag of sh*t known as Bill Clinton back in 1992. They artificially created the impression that the economy was in shambles, and that "the economy" was the most important issue in that election year. Of course they were lying, but they used their power to elect that piece of sh*t anyway.

We ought not have to have such lopsided propaganda working against us in elections. Were it not for the media keeping their thumb on the scales, the entire congress, the courts, and the presidency would all be far more conservative than they are.

The man does not even mention the "Civil War." These are independent observations of exactly what I have been trying to tell you two.

The Core has been using their power to attract and concentrate more wealth and more power to themselves and their areas until most of the nation’s wealth and power are concentrated in Clinton’s 2/3rds of GDP, the sub-10% of the counties. All top 10 richest zip codes are now in one region: the Washington D.C. area.
Economic wealth and power is used to expand political power, further extracting the wealth of the Periphery to maintain the lifestyle of the Core. While this may seem a practical strategy, it isn’t. At one time the Periphery was creating maybe 2/3rds of the wealth of the nation, costing nothing, and that was with no more infrastructure than remains today.

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2018/03/the-core/

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.