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Florida Senate briefly approves AR-15 ban, then rejects it
Tampa Bay Times ^ | March 3, 2018 | Steve Bousquet.Mower,Klas

Posted on 03/03/2018 12:13:20 PM PST by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

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To: MHGinTN

Neither is the Ruger Ranch Rifle, but it is chambered to accept 5.56 military rounds, and has a removable magazine. It is differentiated from the AR-15 mainly by the fact that it is not scary looking. It has a nice fixed walnut-colored wood stock and does not have a pistol grip that protrudes prominently. The fact that most progressives want to ban the AR-15 while not expressing any concerns for rifles like the Ranch Rifle tells me te level of emotion that is overwhelming any rationality.

So, here we go again, trying to ban scary guns. The last time that was done, it did not have a statistically material effect on the murder rate, nor the number of mass murders.


41 posted on 03/03/2018 2:25:24 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: ealgeone

To refresh our memories about Columbine....

During the Columbine massacre, in which 15 people were murdered and 21 injured, a total of four firearms were involved. The murderers also employed four knives and 99 explosive devices.

Of the firearms, only one qualified under the 1984 federal law as a banned “assault rifle”. One firearm was a doubled barreled shotgun with a shortened barrel. It has long been a federal felony to saw down the barrel of a shotgun and it was also a felony to possess such an altered weapon.

Every single explosive device was a federal and state felony to assemble, possess and use, and to use in the commission of a crime.

If the memory of Columbine is ever brought up today, the failure of the law to stop the use of explosives in a school massacre is never mentioned. It is never mentioned because that gets in the way of a Gollum-like fixation on the ugly and scary guns.


42 posted on 03/03/2018 2:28:02 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat
Let's also not forget this [another failure of government]:

Harris's site attracted few visitors, and caused no concern until March 1998. Klebold was aware of the site and gave the web address to Brooks Brown, in an effort to warn him of Harris's threats of violence against Brown and his family. Brown's mother had filed numerous complaints with the Jefferson County Sheriff's office concerning Harris, as she thought he was dangerous. The website contained numerous death threats directed against Brown: Klebold knew that if Brooks accessed the address, he would discover the content and inform his parents, and likely the authorities would be notified. After Brown's parents viewed the site, they contacted the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office. The investigator Michael Guerra was told about the website.[15] When he accessed it, Guerra discovered numerous violent threats directed against the students and teachers of Columbine High School. Other material included blurbs that Harris had written about his general hatred of society, and his desire to kill those who annoyed him.

Harris had noted on his site that he had made pipe bombs, in addition to a hit list of individuals (he did not post any plan on how he intended to attack targets).[16] As Harris had posted on his website that he possessed explosives, Guerra wrote a draft affidavit, requesting a search warrant of the Harris household. The affidavit also mentioned a suspicion of Harris being involved in an unsolved pipe bomb case in February 1998. The affidavit was never filed.[15] It was concealed by the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office and not revealed until September 2001, resulting from an investigation by the TV show 60 Minutes.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

43 posted on 03/03/2018 2:32:03 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: OrangeHoof

The roll call vote made the RINOs have to lie about how they voted in the voice vote.


44 posted on 03/03/2018 2:32:51 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (We Arizonans need to get rid of McCain/Flake as all of us pray for Trump.)
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To: Celerity

The cattle and citrus industries are probably the oldest, followed by tourism.

Connecticut has been a very liberal state for a very long time. - top 5.

Florida has been traditionally Conservative or Dixiecrat with densely populated pockets of Yankee liberalism. Broward is THE spoiler county for the state. NY, NJ, Mass, & CT elderly and transplants rule and displace natives.

Cali has had minimal influence upon Florida. However, FL has copied some of their bad educational policies.


45 posted on 03/03/2018 2:34:35 PM PST by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Turpentine


46 posted on 03/03/2018 2:40:53 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
Democrats countered that a ban on 45 types of assault weapons in Maryland has been upheld by a federal appeals court.

what court, and is this going to SCOTUS?

47 posted on 03/03/2018 2:44:25 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

If this BS was passed how would this have worked? They ban future sales of AR-15s in FL, or they start coming to confiscate the AR-15s that were registered and bought in the past?


48 posted on 03/03/2018 2:45:25 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: MHGinTN

Sounds as shady as the Las Vegas shooting with LVMPD and FBI doing kabuki theatre.


49 posted on 03/03/2018 2:49:57 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
You are missing the point. Intentionally?

What if he changes his plea? Forget insanity. He can change his plea .. What then?

50 posted on 03/03/2018 2:52:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ealgeone

>>Pistols, shotguns and knives are also weapons of war. Do the dims want those banned as well?
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Of course they do. Look to the U.K. for their model.


51 posted on 03/03/2018 2:59:34 PM PST by Kalamata (Meat hooks for Tyrants)
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To: Midwesterner53

It’s whatever they want to ban next. Doesn’t matter how it’s defined.


52 posted on 03/03/2018 3:22:14 PM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: MHGinTN

These are the same idiots who think that “AR” in AR-15 stands for “Assault Rifle” and that a pistol can not be sucessfully used against someone with an AR-15 because the pistol is “too slow”. They, unfortunatly our President included, believe that bump stocks are a menace. While they may be fun to shoot they are very difficult to use effectively and mainly just waste ammo. The also think that supressors practically eliminate the sound of gunfire. They do not and you also need to use slower, below speed of sound, ammo to stop the crack from the bullet breaking the barrier. They also overheat quickly and using them at a high rate of fire turns them redhot to the point where a catastrophic failure may result. But these are all facts and we know that facts are never important if it contradicts the liberal agenda.


53 posted on 03/03/2018 3:44:47 PM PST by TonyM (UPS)
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To: MHGinTN

I got your point but refuse to entertain the idea, given the mounds of evidence.

He made the threats, broadcast them and executed children and teachers -methodically. There’s no shortage of surveillance, credible witnesses and his confession.

The only chance he has of avoiding execution is to plead guilty and cop the insanity defense.

If he changes his plea it will cost the state a lot more to prosecute him and he will fry.


54 posted on 03/03/2018 6:04:57 PM PST by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: MHGinTN

“The AR 15 is a semi automatic rifle. It is not full auto select or three round burst select.”

CNN said the AR 15 is a “full semi-automatic” weapon.


55 posted on 03/03/2018 6:33:35 PM PST by JoeRed
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To: MHGinTN

If the prosecutor, Mike Satz, refuses to take the DP off the table then Cruz could enter a not-guilty plea and force the state to lay out their case. If he is enjoying all the attention, he may do that. Anything is possible.

“Cruz would plead guilty IF prosecutors agree not to seek the death penalty, his lawyers say.”

Satz’s office is waiting for a decent time of mourning to pass before asking for input from the victims and their families. He also has to see how much blame comes down on the school district and sheriff.

Note that State Atty. Michael Satz is one of the signers to the sanctuary discipline agreement. IOW, he agreed to not seek prosecution for the list of criminal infractions exempted within the school district.

Due to his cooperation, Satz is part of the problem.


56 posted on 03/03/2018 6:39:14 PM PST by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Now THAT was a response that truly helped me to understand. Thanks !


57 posted on 03/03/2018 8:42:16 PM PST by Celerity
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To: ealgeone

Yes.


58 posted on 03/03/2018 8:55:32 PM PST by Paperpusher
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To: MHGinTN
the Ruger 1022 is not an assault rifle, either

But it can put a dent in a head if swung like a baseball bat....would never do that with mine though...

59 posted on 03/04/2018 3:32:54 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: trebb

The machete in the back of my truck can easily be an ‘assault weapon’, but that requires a reasonable interpretation of ‘assault weapon’, and reason is not in play here.


60 posted on 03/04/2018 1:52:05 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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