Posted on 02/21/2018 11:42:13 AM PST by cradle of freedom
It is time to remember what the Federal Government under the authority of Bill Clinton did to many American citizens during the Waco holocaust. Whole families living in their compound were slaughtered by federal officials. Women and children were burned alive by the Federal Government. The Waco compound was encircled and under seize for many weeks as if it was a medieval city being attacked by an army. The government treated these civilians as if they were a foreign enemy. They used loud noises day and night to psychologically break down the inhabitants which included mothers and children. Tanks crashed against the wooden walls of the compound and finally the building went up in flames incinerating everyone in it.
Some have expressed the belief that we do not need guns to defend ourselves from the power of the government because after all this is America, a first world country that everyone wants to come to. They say we have the ballot and therefore we are safe. But the ballot came very close to electing Hillary Clinton which would have put Bill Clinton the Butcher of Waco back in the White House.
Janet Reno’s Finest Hour.
Thank you, thank you for these pictures. We should never forget.
1. Koresh was a crackpot, a child molester and, ultimately, a MURDERER.
2. The Feds (ATF) had reason and a warrant to go after him, but even their own guys said they screwed it up after Koresh was alerted. They should NEVER have gone in after that.
3. Koresh lit those fires. It’s apparent to anyone who watches the video or has watched interviews with people who survived.
Never trust Progressive Democrats/ Republicans.
Source please
For which part?
There was an excellent documentary on A&E (IIRC) about a month ago. BOTH sides gave their accounts, and even the ATF agents involved were damning of their agency’s decision to continue with the raid. FBI guys questioned the decision to end it like they did, and so did the local sheriff.
Pretty well balanced.
Hillary Ordered The Final Massacre At Waco.
Hillary was putting pressure on Vince Foster (her longtime boyfriend, sexual partner and emotional husband) and Webb Hubbell who was the #3 guy at Justice Department, to have a forceful resolution to the Waco standoff.
http://rense.com/general80/hillms.htm
David would occasionally leave the camp. So the FIB could not wait for him? Why did the FIB have to pump in very loud music for many days? Also, why did Janet have the FIB clear the site of all evidence so quickly. Do not forget that Bubba was the ruler. Not a clean guy then or now.
“The government is the potent omnipresent teacher. For good or ill it teaches the whole people by its example.....If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”
- Louis Brandeis
Sure. The ATF had the initial warrant for his arrest. Some Post Office employee noticed a box that came open and it had a grenade in it (convenient). The local sheriff told them they could pick him up on Sundays at the coffee shop.
The ATF started moving in and prepping, but they didn’t hide it very well. A postal carrier who happened to also be a Branch Davidian told Koresh that they were staging up the road from him. The kicker is that another ATF agent moved in as a neighbor to Koresh and was there when Koresh got the word. The agent unassed the AO and told his superiors that Koresh was waiting for them, but they’d already spent over $2 million so they decided to go in anyway.
Why the FBI followed up in some of the ways that they did, I don’t know. But Koresh was molesting underage girls. Koresh was leading the FBI on while claiming to write his “Seven Seals” manifesto and it became clear that he wasn’t honoring his commitment to release ALL the children and end it. Koresh lied.
Anyway, Koresh clearly ordered the fires lit by his own guys. That’s what killed those children.
I don’t think Koresh or his group were violating any laws.
He did have a gun collection but there is a very strong reason I think none were illegal.
The Republicans were going to have NRA experts examine the guns but the Dems freaked out over that and the Republicans rolled over and played dead rather than stand up to them.
Yeah the FBI claimed Koresh started the fires.
I would not trust them any further than I would the KGB.
At one time I thought they were a great agency but they violated the law at will at Ruby Ridge.
I also doubt that Koresh molested the girls. The dems got one to testify that she was molested but never any evidence.
Agreed with all you said, save for the part about it being clear that he and/or his guys lit those fires.
Nothing I saw on the videos (repeatedly) made that clear to me.
He was a kook, perv and dictator but I’m not sure he was suicidal, nor am I sure he murdered his followers.
1. That was never proven and multiple visits from the McLennan County social services, never resulted in children being removed from Mt. Carmel.
2. What was the reason and warrant based on? False information. Koresh was well known to jog every afternoon between 4-5p, why not apprehend him then? The McClennan County Sheriff at the time even said that had HE called Koresh, he would have come in with no problem. Koresh had a muscle car, that he would take to the local Dairy Queen on Weekends, they had Mt. Carmel under surveillance for weeks, in all that time, Koresh never left Mt. Carmel once? The Feds were there to make a statement.
3. Other survivors have stated that the fires started, before the Davidians poured the fuel. Why would the government wait that many days, knowing he was getting ready to come out, assault a home with folks in it, who had apocalyptic beliefs?
The Koresh compound was miked the whole time. In addition to his own people confirming it, you can hear it on tape. Guys were yelling about “spread it around” while setting the first. That, and the fact that the first started at three different locations INSIDE the compound, none of which were FBI entry or assault points.
Koresh ordered other men to leave their wives and he took them up as his own. He made the men and women live on separate floors and separate wings. He even fathered the daughter of his second-in-command. Survivors attested to young girls being brought to Koresh.
In no way can Koresh come out looking like the good guy, or even a decent human being.
Ruby Ridge is an entirely different situation, but the FBI issued illegal “shoot on sight” orders and they only came out of it because of sovereign immunity. Lon Horuchi should have been tried for murder, but it would have put the FBI on trial.
FLIR imaging from an aircraft on the final day proved that the Hostage Roasting Team shot Davidians as they tried to escape from the flames, and John Danforth helped them get away with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOW6UbAVs8A
http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/danforthreport2000.html
As I said, I don’t trust anything the FBI said and I think there is strong evidence that they and the BATF both lied. Nothing on the tape could be interpreted that they were setting fires and even if one thought that was what they meant, I would not trust the validity of the tapes.
I never heard any other members confirm the molestation charges and I watched the events closely.
Point 1: Never rely on social services. The Branch Davidians knew and some surviving members admitted it.
Point 2: Accepted. The feds were there to make a statement, pure and simple. I’m skeptical about the package with the grenade that just happened to come open, too.
Point 3: Koresh set those fires. You admitted that he spread fuel, and people inside confirmed it. As the FBI agent in charge said, they just got tired of dealing with Koresh’s bullshit and they weren’t going to just fence the compound off and make it a permanent prison. At some point, it did have to end.
Koresh ingrained his followers to believe that their days would end at the hands of the federal government, and then he proceeded to do everything he could to make that come true.
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