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Is That Russia Troll Farm an Act of War? ^ | February 20, 2018 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 02/20/2018 7:19:07 AM PST by Kaslin

According to the indictment by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, Russian trolls, operating out of St. Petersburg, took American identities on social media and became players in our 2016 election.

On divisive racial and religious issues, the trolls took both sides. In the presidential election, the trolls favored Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein and Donald Trump, and almost never Hillary Clinton.

One imaginative Russian troll urged Trumpsters to dress up a female volunteer in an orange prison jump suit, put her in a cage on a flatbed truck, then append the slogan, "Lock Her Up!"

How grave a matter is this?

This Russian troll farm is "the equivalent (of) Pearl Harbor," says Cong. Jerrold Nadler, who would head up the House Judiciary Committee, handling any impeachment, if Democrats retake the House.

When MSNBC's Chris Hayes pressed, Nadler doubled down: The Russians "are destroying our democratic process." While the Russian trolling may not equal Pearl Harbor in its violence, said Nadler, in its "seriousness, it is very much on a par" with Japan's surprise attack.

Trump's reaction to the hysteria that broke out after the Russian indictments: "They are laughing their (expletives) off in Moscow."

According to Sunday's Washington Post, the troll story is old news in Russia, where reporters uncovered it last year and it was no big deal.

While Mueller's indictments confirm that Russians meddled in the U.S. election, what explains the shock and the fear for "our democracy"?

Is the Great Republic about to fall because a bunch of trolls tweeted in our election? Is this generation ignorant of its own history?

Before and after World War II, we had Stalinists and Soviet spies at the highest levels of American culture and government.

The Hollywood Ten, who went to prison for contempt of Congress, were secret members of a Communist Party that, directed from Moscow, controlled the Progressive Party in Philadelphia in 1948 that nominated former Vice President Henry Wallace to run against Harry Truman.

Soviet spies infiltrated the U.S. atom bomb project and shortened the time Stalin needed to explode a Soviet bomb in 1949.

As for Russian trolling in our election, do we really have clean hands when it comes to meddling in elections and the internal politics of regimes we dislike?

Sen. John McCain and Victoria Nuland of State egged on the Maidan Square crowds in Kiev that overthrew the elected government of Ukraine. When the democratically elected regime of Mohammed Morsi was overthrown, the U.S. readily accepted the coup as a victory for our side and continued aid to Egypt as tens of thousands of Muslim Brotherhood members were imprisoned.

Are the CIA and National Endowment for Democracy under orders not to try to influence the outcome of elections in nations in whose ruling regimes we believe we have a stake?

"Have we ever tried to meddle in other countries' elections?" Laura Ingraham asked former CIA Director James Woolsey this weekend.

With a grin, Woolsey replied, "Oh, probably."

"We don't do that anymore though?" Ingraham interrupted. "We don't mess around in other people's elections, Jim?"

"Well," Woolsey said with a smile. "Only for a very good cause."

Indeed, what is the National Endowment for Democracy all about, if not aiding the pro-American side in foreign nations and their elections?

Did America have no active role in the "color-coded revolutions" that have changed regimes from Serbia to Ukraine to Georgia?

When Republicans discuss Iran on Capitol Hill, the phrase "regime change" is frequently heard. When the "Green Revolution" took to the streets of Tehran to protest massively the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2009, Republicans denounced President Obama for not intervening more energetically to alter the outcome.

When China, Russia and Egypt expel NGOs, are their suspicions that some have been seeded with U.S. agents merely marks of paranoia?

The U.S. role in the overthrow of Premier Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, and of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954, and of President Ngo Dinh Diem in Saigon in 1963 are established facts.

When the democratically elected Marxist Salvador Allende was overthrown in Chile in 1973, and committed suicide with an AK-47 given to him by Fidel Castro, the Nixon White House may have had no direct role. But the White House welcomed the ascendancy of Gen. Augusto Pinochet.

What do these indictments of Russians tell us? After 18 months, the James Comey-Robert Mueller FBI investigation into the hacking of the DNC and John Podesta emails has yet to produce evidence of collusion.

Yet we do have evidence that a senior British spy and Trump hater, Christopher Steele, paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign and DNC to dig up dirt on Trump, colluded with Kremlin agents to produce a dossier of scurrilous and unsubstantiated charges, to destroy the candidacy of Donald Trump. And the FBI used this disinformation to get FISA Court warrants to surveil and wiretap the Trump campaign.

Why is this conspiracy and collusion with Russians less worthy of Mueller's attention than a troll farm in St. Petersburg?

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: collusion; history; jamescomey; lisapage; peterstrzok; presidenttrump; robertmueller; russiainvestigation; russianpropagandists; russianpuppets; russianstooges; russiasucks
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I think the problem is that in order to control the world, the deep state and their globalist cronies need to get two countries under control - the US and Russia - and with Putin and Trump that isn't working out too well.

Oh, well.

41 posted on 02/20/2018 8:32:45 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Kaslin
So what? The Russians had their own Political Action Committee during the election. BFD. Like, who doesn’t have a PAC of one kind or another during one of our presidential elections?

I admit that the general writing, storylines and dialog in these latest episodes of our Kabuki Theatre/political soap opera since Trump have gotten better, but the “Russia did it” subplot has become ultra-boring.

It’s just not working anymore and the writers and producers need to retire it and “move on”.

42 posted on 02/20/2018 8:42:00 AM PST by GBA (A = 432)
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To: YummiBox

Excellent point.

43 posted on 02/20/2018 8:49:50 AM PST by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: txrefugee


44 posted on 02/20/2018 8:50:50 AM PST by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: Kaslin
Is That Russia Troll Farm an Act of War?

Hell Pat, you should talk to the Master, ...I started real wars just for fun, circulation, and profit. and you can't even sell books anymore.

45 posted on 02/20/2018 8:56:56 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: Kaslin
"Is That Russia Troll Farm an Act of War?"

Hell no! Nadler goes around saying it is, expecting that it should be, all because he says it is. Get unbent, Nadler!
46 posted on 02/20/2018 9:06:54 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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Just finished watching part 2 of the Skank Hunt series in South Park’s 20th season. That is what this “scandal” amounts to. Russian version of Gerald Broflovski calling women nasty names on the twitter verse. Oh my God, everyone. Russians are trolling the internet, saying vile and racist things to get people worked up. My Good Lord. The sky is falling.

47 posted on 02/20/2018 11:04:50 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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I know. It is as much a revelation as the “poor have no money”. Say this enough on Oprah, or MSNBC, and then the whole nation is alerted to the widening scandal, that over all these years, the reason the poor are poor, is a conspiracy whereby they have no money.

48 posted on 02/20/2018 11:09:41 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Kaslin

Stay focused Pat. What the Clintons and obamas have done is an act of treason.

49 posted on 02/20/2018 1:00:26 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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2020: A Democrat victory will lead us to war with Russia....
What if the left started a war against Russia and America’s warriors didn’t show up? The Democrats would have to win with feminists, homosexuals, and gun-shy metrosexual males.

50 posted on 02/20/2018 1:37:11 PM PST by Socon-Econ
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To: Socon-Econ

If those tards take the field, I’ve got Ivan’s flank!

51 posted on 02/20/2018 1:40:30 PM PST by The Toll
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To: Jim Noble

I think these posts etc. were “trolls.” They were looking for responses from various factions so they could insinuate themselves into these factions via electronic contacts. So it was groundwork for who knows what kind of espionage.

52 posted on 02/20/2018 2:23:29 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: circlecity

“” “” The Russians have been using propaganda to influence American government and elections for 80 years. Why is it such a big deal now?”” “”

Historically they did it for the left. Democrats feel betrayed.

53 posted on 02/20/2018 3:39:53 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: volunbeer

“” “” What if Putin fought back against this and released documents showing how we interfered in their election and others? Pretty sure they have that information.”” “”

Actually he did for years.

54 posted on 02/20/2018 3:42:15 PM PST by NorseViking
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55 posted on 02/20/2018 10:58:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (,,
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To: Kaslin; mewzilla; E. Pluribus Unum; Night Hawk; circlecity
Why is this conspiracy and collusion with Russians less worthy of Mueller's attention than a troll farm in St. Petersburg?


Good question, but.........


From CTH:

Steven Miller‏ @StephenMilIer

There are 145 million people living in Russia, does Robert Mueller really think Trump won't be able find another 13 Russians to help him win in 2020? Dems are doomed!



56 posted on 02/21/2018 12:27:30 AM PST by a little elbow grease (Zip ties and duct tape are far more productive than pussy hats and #metoo tweets)
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To: Kaslin

A few Russian trolls (not even hackers!) ran a more effective campaign than Hillary!’s entire campaign?

57 posted on 02/21/2018 5:35:52 AM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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