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PETER HITCHENS: Return to times tables?
DailyMail.com ^ | 2/17/2018 | Peter Hitchens

Posted on 02/18/2018 6:38:52 AM PST by Nextrush

No, they are not going to bring back times tables, Teachers think this sort of thing is beneath them, and that making any child learn things is cruel....

But employers, if they can, somehow seem to prefer to hire Poles or Romanians.

We may have the certificates. But it is the people from the old-fashioned countries that tend to have the education......

Amid all the usual fuss about guns, important information about Nikolas Cruz, the alleged Florida shooter, is as usual obscured.

So here it is. The Miami Herald spoke to his aunt, Barbara Kumbatovic, who said: 'I know he did have some issues, and he may have been taking medication.' Other reports speak of him having received 'treatment' for mental problems-which almost invariably means powerful mind-altering drugs, often known to cause suicidal or violent thoughts.....

...The USA has always had freely available guns, indeed they used to be more freely available than they are now. It has had schools, and racialist fanatics too, for more than a century. Yet these school massacres are a feature of the modern era.

And what is new about the modern era? Two things: the widespread use of illegal mind-altering drugs, especially marijuana; and the even more widespread use of legal mind-altering drugs, especially SSRI 'antidepressants', but also steroids and 'ADHD' drugs..........

It was revealed the other day that the three London Bridge killers Khuram Butt, Rachid Redouane, and Youssef Zaghba, had taken 'large quantities' of steroids before their crimes last June.....

As the horrible abusive crimes of some Oxfam workers are revealed, Left-wing types crowd the media saying these outrages are individual misdeeds and should not unleash a fury against foreign aid in general.

Well I agree. But these same Left-wing types did not take this view when abuse was revealed in churches......

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: drugs; immigration; poland; religion; schoolshooting; secondamendment; sexualabuse
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Peter Hitchens touches on several things but a lot on the mass murder insanity in Florida and why guns get blamed when one can see that drugs like antidepressants are the "new kids on the block" at schools.
1 posted on 02/18/2018 6:38:53 AM PST by Nextrush
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To: Nextrush
We may have the certificates. But it is the people from the old-fashioned countries that tend to have the education......

I knew a guy from India, a very old-fashioned country, who said he didn't need to use a calculator for multiplication because when he was in grade school, students had to memorize the multiplication tables up to the number 25. Like most Americans, I had to memorize them to the number 12, and that knowledge has stayed with me my whole life.

2 posted on 02/18/2018 6:48:11 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

I know math tables well and can calculate in my head.

I may not know complex formulas but the basics I work with all the time.

They are a necessity.


3 posted on 02/18/2018 6:54:09 AM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is everybody's business: Remember Pastor Niemoller)
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To: Fiji Hill

Me too. Now I wish they’d had us go higher. 25 is pretty impressive.


4 posted on 02/18/2018 6:59:10 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Nextrush

Amen. We learned simple tables and processes for addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. Stuff you need to get through the day and balance checkbooks and budgets.

Kids nowadays do this weird “common core” math that turns simple arithmetic problems into BS sudoku puzzles.


5 posted on 02/18/2018 7:10:32 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: A_perfect_lady

In my dad’s era, tables up to 15 times 15 were memorized.


6 posted on 02/18/2018 7:10:38 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Nextrush

In catholic school we did up to 12 times. I can add large columns in my head 3digits. People asked me how I did it. I said catholic school


7 posted on 02/18/2018 7:16:28 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Build Kate's Wall)
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To: morphing libertarian

Yep, me too.


8 posted on 02/18/2018 7:19:47 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Nextrush
I just heard on the news this a.m. that this school shooter had just "come off" his meds.

I think this is a connection to other school shooters who were also taking, or, had just come off, these medications.

9 posted on 02/18/2018 7:23:50 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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Steroids are not the same as antidepressants. As usual, Peter Hitchens doesn't know what he's talking about when he talks about the USA.
10 posted on 02/18/2018 7:33:15 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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Anybody who doubts that drugs are a huge factor, listen to the disclaimer on the TV ads. An acne medication can lead to suicidal tendencies.

Why is that crap even on the market? Hey, Sleepy Sessions, there’s some drugs you missed.


11 posted on 02/18/2018 7:37:26 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Nextrush

it’s funny and tragic when I can tell the 18 year old cashier what my change is with my 72 year old brain.


12 posted on 02/18/2018 8:06:08 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: Nextrush

Education gets in the way of providing emotional support.


13 posted on 02/18/2018 8:09:40 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Nextrush

Post hoc ergo proper hoc.


14 posted on 02/18/2018 8:34:47 AM PST by JusPasenThru (It is OK to be white.)
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To: Rurudyne

I’ve”borrowed” this from a song...16 tons
American “education”
You go 16 years and what do you get?
A helluva lot older and deeper in DEBT
The world regards you as a snowflake fool
‘Cause you didn’t learn nuttin sittin’ in skool


15 posted on 02/18/2018 8:39:43 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (.)
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To: tom paine 2

What’s really funny is when you’re paying for something that costs (for example) $1.77 and you give the clerk $2.02. As often as not, the cashier will give me the “you’re senile” look and hand back the two pennies.


16 posted on 02/18/2018 9:40:12 AM PST by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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Young people can be both fun and scary Century theatre Sacramento a few years back, snack bar. Sir here’s your receipt. i don’t way a receipt. you have to take it. I don’t have to do anything. I will get fired of I don’t give you receipt. Maybe you should go to college and get a better job. I don’t work for this theatre and I am not taking the receipt.

Why is it no one under 40 says thank you when you buy something at their store? I am paying their salary and the company is making money.


17 posted on 02/18/2018 9:53:41 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Build Kate's Wall)
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To: Nextrush

Hitchins is on the right path, but he abandoned it too early. It isn’t just the multiplication tables. It’s everything and the main thing they represent: the learning of and adhering to right-reasoned rules. One of my lit professors many years ago mentioned that he had noticed that only Catholic school graduates seemed to grasp the physics of grammar. Why, he asked the class. The answer was simple: we were responsible for knowing and adhering to rules, all sorts of rules—everything from behavior in the church to sentence-diagramming in the classroom and sportsmanship on the field. Right and wrong, or good and bad, mattered in every facet of life. Honor was good; cheating was bad. Sixty-plus years ago this ethic was universal, honored by public AND private schools. No longer, anywhere.


18 posted on 02/18/2018 11:56:27 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Nextrush

Times tables recited in unison in class......Ah the good old days before the education establishment crackpots took over, trying to re-invent the wheel for fame and fortune.

I’ll bet if you go to Mexico the kids in schools are shouting out times tables in Spanish.


19 posted on 02/18/2018 12:03:50 PM PST by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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To: grania

I’ve done that, too. Sometimes the cashier thinks you’re trying to scam them somehow. You’re better off either giving them the two bucks or explaining outright you’re trying to get just a quarter back so you aren’t carrying 23 cents in coinage.


20 posted on 02/18/2018 12:15:45 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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