Posted on 01/10/2018 11:33:19 PM PST by Eleutheria5
Four former senior US officials claimed Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu offered the Obama administration a two-state solution in which Israel annexed the settlement blocs in Judea and Samaria in exchange for land in northern Sinai, next to Gaza, Haaretz reported.
According to the officials, Netanyahu told then-US President Barack Obama and then-Secretary of State John Kerry that he was sure Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi would agree to to the plan. However, when the US looked into the idea, they received a negative response.
Netanyahu's office has denied this report, claiming it "is not accurate."
In November 2017, Social Equality Minister Gila Gamliel (Likud) said a Palestinian state could not exist in Judea and Samaria, suggesting northern Sinai as an alternative. Later that same month, Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak denied a report that his country in 1983 had agreed to settle Palestinian Authority Arabs in his country according to a US request. He also said he had rejected a similar proposal by Netanyahu in 2010, and told him "he should not even dare to think of such an idea."
In 2014, Army Radio reported that el-Sisi offered Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas 160 square kilometers of the Sinai Peninsula adjoining Gaza if the PA would cease demanding Israel return to the pre-1967 borders. Such an offer would have created a Palestinian state five times the present size of Gaza.
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I still love the idea - as long as Egypt was in charge of the Northern Sinai/Gaza “Palestine” for security.
Make it a new free trade zone, and try to capitalize on all the international appeal for helping Palestinians, into actual investments and subsidies. Give them Egyptian citizenship, and let Dubai Ports World run the economy.
Let them take Ghaza along with them.
I still love the idea - as long as Egypt was in charge of the Northern Sinai/Gaza “Palestine” for security.
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The real problem for Egypt in the Sinai is that the area is infested with jihadis who are being aided by the local tribes. The jihadis attack and then flee back into the mountains where the Egyptian mil has limited access and ability. The other problem is the Egyptian mil quits at sundown to take up the fight again after dawn, leaving the jihadis free to do whatever they please in the meantime.
Any Palestinian state in the Sinai area, from an Islamist point of view, is redundant since they already control it.
By the “local tribes,” I presume you mean Bedouins. The aid that they give is on a mercenary basis, so beat the Jihadis’ price and you get their loyalty. Or, perhaps, they resent the Egyptian army because they get in their face more than the IDF used to do. That’s easy to remedy.
Egypt and Israel are allied for now, so if the Egyptians are scared of the dark, IDF can do the work then, or at least lend the Egyptians night goggles, if they don’t want us back in the Sinai.
The biggest benefit, however, is making Egypt responsible for Ghaza. They’ll simply drag out the Hamas leaders and shoot them, no legal niceties and no warnings, and that’ll be the end of the missile barrages on Sderot, Ashdod, Beer Sheva and occasionally further north.
Yes, Sinai is infested with Jihadis, so a few more from Ghaza and Judah and Samaria won’t matter much. Better to have them all together. Plus there’s hope that fishing and resort hotels will catch on, as well as transforming the desert into a garden, just to prove that they can do whatever the Jooos! did. We’ll help them prove it.
Egypt is broke as I read, so were does the money come from to bribe the tribes?
I think it isn’t a matter of Egyptian army troops assigned to the Sinai region being scared of the dark, so much as it is a habit and likely reinforced by their low pay and poor training. Night vision goggles would just end up being worn by the jihadis. Egypt would never allow the IDF to operate openly in the Sinai, barring some high-level treaty which likely could put more adverse political pressure on el Sisi.
All Egypt’s front line troops are tied up elsewhere - many along the Libyan border. I doubt el Sisis would order a shift as trouble in the Sinai does not yet pose an existential threat.
Then there would be the question of Palestinian access to Egypt - something no one wants, but could not entirely prevent given their Sinai state. How long would it take for them to begin working with the MB to overthrow el Sisi? Not long.
“Broke,” when it comes to nations, is a relative term. The money would come from the reestablishment of relations with the US, including aid, or, in the alternative from Vlad the Colluder, if Trump isn’t interested. I wouldn’t call it bribery. Give them something constructive to do besides gun and drug running, and pay them for it. Bedouins are flexible.
I don’t share your dim view of Egyptian troops’ capability. They hate the Jihadis for what they did to Egypt and for attacking them. It’s personal. Maybe Israel won’t get to operate openly in the Sinai, but covertly they can provide equipment, training and intelligence.
Palestinian access to Egypt? Well, yeah, that is a problem. It’s why this would be a Palestinian State in the Sinai adjacent to Ghaza. They’ll need passports and visas to enter Egypt. If Hamas messes with Egypt, it would be an act of war, which would give license to Egyptian troops to enter and apprehend Hamas leaders, and set up a puppet government, something that Israel could not do.
Working with the MB? The puppet government replacing Hamas after they try that would be happy to snitch and get in the good graces of its master, Egypt. Egypt, for that matter, will be holding elections soon. No MB candidates need apply.
They’ll need passports and visas to enter Egypt.
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or tunnels ...
See? They’re making progress. Their standards are going up to those of Mexicans.
This is where the UN would be at its most useful. Move the Palis to Sinai and move the UN to Sinai. Then using international construction companies, build Sinai into a non-fossil fuels run economy. Everything the IPCC recommended do in Sinai. From buildings to cars, everything is to run off of alternative energy.
Basically, Sinai becomes the home of the first “green” country. And the Palestinians the recipients. Now all the “green” scientists from around the world can also move there for their experiments and research. Soon after that, climate alarmists can move there to get away from the destruction of the rest of the planet. This means millions of liberals will migrate to Sinai.
Egypt can then release more land going south. As the country starts filling up with liberals from around the world, more green energy projects can commence.
Once we feel that enough liberals have left their countries and behind and moved to the new “utopian” society...
Nuke the place.
“Nuke the place.”
No need. The Palis will dispatch the liberals, who will rapidly stop urging more aid for them.
“No need. The Palis will dispatch the liberals, who will rapidly stop urging more aid for them.”
Nope. Want it nuked and nuked from orbit at that. Just to be sure.
Hey. There are Jews on the other side of the border, and the fall-out. Besides, there’ll be some great TV shows coming out of your proposal (except for the nuking). Palestine’s Funniest Beheading Videos, The Running of the Libs, Sinai Glad-’e-Ate-’er, Gauntlet, Does He Bounce? And then there’ll be the reality shows, like Who Wants To Live, Survivor, Who Wants to Escape, My Bearded, Ancient, Goat-smelling Fiancée, and The Islamic Life.
Netanyahu ought to agree to whatever the Palestinians want, under the condition that if one terror attack occurs on Israeli soil or one rocket is launched from Gaza or the West Bank, then all out war is declared. Then when the attack occurs, drive them into the sea. No mercy, no quarter. When the Arab nations and their toadies at the UN bitch, he can shrug and say “I gave them their homeland and it still wasn’t enough”
Or everybody’s favorite: The Sex Slave. If the contestants don’t please the master, he says “you’re for sale!”.
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In many ways a perfect solution for palestinian culture and values. Israeli's to the north of them, they're building a wall. Egyptians to the south, they've walled off a city or two and would have to wall off the canal. And a city or two. And the oil, which would be problematica.
I’d agree. But Israel is too “humane” for that.
The Sinai is vast and mostly empty. The Egyptian security forces are focused on defending national interests, like the oil & gas wells and pipelines, the canal, and the borders. They don’t want to play whack-a-mole with the Muslim Brotherhood.
Recently Egypt resolved a dispute with Saudi Arabia over a couple of Red Sea islands. Egypt gave up claim in return for billions in investment. The world mood may have changed but at one time Bill Clinton had $30 billion on the table to resolve the Palestinian dispute. Assuming a similar or inflation adjusted number could be raised worldwide - Egypt would come to the table. They may not agree, but they would at least listen. In theory, the plan referred to as Netanyahu’s would be adjacent to, and expand the size of Gaza by 5x, and be newly built to house the majority of a future Palestinian state.
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