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A monument to SCís black Confederate soldiers? None fought for the South, experts say
The State ^ | 12/30/18 | Jeff Wilkinson

Posted on 01/05/2018 12:07:18 PM PST by DoodleDawg

Two South Carolina lawmakers want to erect a monument on the State House grounds to African-Americans who served the state as Confederate soldiers. But records show the state never accepted nor recognized armed African-American soldiers during the Civil War.

“In all my years of research, I can say I have seen no documentation of black South Carolina soldiers fighting for the Confederacy,” said Walter Edgar, who for 32 years was director of the University of South Carolina’s Institute for Southern Studies and is author of “South Carolina: A History.”

“In fact, when secession came, the state turned down free (blacks) who wanted to volunteer because they didn’t want armed persons of color,” he said.

Pension records gleaned from the S.C. Department of History and Archives show no black Confederate soldiers received payment for combat service. And of the more than 300 blacks who did receive pensions after they were allowed in 1923, all served as body servants or cooks, the records show.

Confederate law prohibited blacks from bearing arms in the war, records show, until that edict was repealed in 1865 at the very end of the conflict.

That repeal resulted in a handful of African-American units in states such as Virginia and Texas. But there were none in South Carolina, which prohibited African-Americans from carrying guns in the state’s service throughout the war for fear of insurrection, according to the archives.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: blackconfederates; civilwar; confederate; dixie
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1 posted on 01/05/2018 12:07:18 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

History is the stories we tell ourselves about the past.


2 posted on 01/05/2018 12:09:06 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine
History is the stories we tell ourselves about the past.

We can change the story we tell ourselves in order to make ourselves feel better, but that still doesn't change history.

3 posted on 01/05/2018 12:12:07 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

These clowns couldn’t protect long standing Confederate symbols from Nikki Haley and now they want to make new politically correct monuments in some kind of lame attempt to rebrand the Confederacy as multi-cultural. This is the kind of joke conservatism that needs to stop. These clowns need to worry about getting rid of Lindsey Graham, not retarded posturing like this.


4 posted on 01/05/2018 12:12:55 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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To: DoodleDawg

The lawmakers should have read some history before embarrassing themselves.


5 posted on 01/05/2018 12:14:20 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Pearls Before Swine

‘History is the stories we tell ourselves about the past.’

in before some Freeper posts that Lincoln personally killed 700,000 people in the Civil War...


6 posted on 01/05/2018 12:14:33 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: DoodleDawg

The South had plenty of Black supporters.

But they would not allow them into uniform.

Even the North was quite reluctant and had no integrated units.


7 posted on 01/05/2018 12:15:34 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: DoodleDawg

I was watching a special on the CSS Hunley. Several crews were killed learning to use the first submarine to sink a warship. Apparently, when the Confederacy salvaged it they had to cut people up to get them out. We know this because they exhumed the graves of those men only to find that they contained mismatched body parts. That is, all but one. That’s because this volunteer was black. They were able to color match the body parts and get them all into the same grave.

Do a quick Google search and you’ll find...

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=0NxPWvmfBIOngge0jKLICA&q=how+many+blacks+fought+for+the+confederacy%3F&oq=how+many+blacks+fought+for+the+confederacy%3F&gs_l=psy-ab.3...825.11363.0.11688.46.13.1.31.32.0.110.1174.7j5.12.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.43.1392.0..0j0i131k1j0i13k1.0.0ViO0NFWQ7g


8 posted on 01/05/2018 12:15:57 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: WatchungEagle

“not retarded posturing like this”

Yep, stupid-assed dimwits with an agenda.


9 posted on 01/05/2018 12:16:57 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: DoodleDawg

Actually, Blacks did serve in the Confederate Armed Forces from the first day of the War. Just not in the Army. Blacks could be enlisted in the Confederate Navy up 10% of the ships crew. The Captain could request a waiver from the Confederate Navy Department and recruit more than 10% if he needed to. Black sailors made up about 12% of the Confederate Navy. Blacks also made up about 16% of the U.S. Navy during the Civil War.


10 posted on 01/05/2018 12:20:30 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DoodleDawg

There were in fact free and enslaved Blacks in the Confederate Army..

http://www.scv.org/new/contributed-works/black-confederates/


11 posted on 01/05/2018 12:21:14 PM PST by TallahasseeConservative
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Frederick Douglas
“There are at the present moment many Colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but real soldiers, having musket on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down any loyal troops and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government and build up that of the rebels.”


12 posted on 01/05/2018 12:21:47 PM PST by TallahasseeConservative
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To: DoodleDawg

Indeed. Aren’t there more relevant political battles to fight?


13 posted on 01/05/2018 12:22:42 PM PST by PGR88
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To: IrishBrigade

He only illegally jailed legislators in Maryland in order to prevent the state from seceding. Every problem that we endure now with a powerful centralized government was spawned by Lincoln.


14 posted on 01/05/2018 12:23:21 PM PST by TallahasseeConservative
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To: DoodleDawg

Be careful with this one as there are lots of fake Civil War photos out there.

There are also several real CSA Negro headstones.


15 posted on 01/05/2018 12:24:42 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: TallahasseeConservative

And Frederick Douglas knew that how? Also, that quote dates from September 1861. How many black troops did the Confederates have then?


16 posted on 01/05/2018 12:24:47 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: TallahasseeConservative
He only illegally jailed legislators in Maryland in order to prevent the state from seceding.

That's a considerable overstatement.

Every problem that we endure now with a powerful centralized government was spawned by Lincoln.

Not to mention the snow in Georgia, South Carolina, and the freezing in Florida. I'm sure Lincoln is somehow responsible for that, too.

17 posted on 01/05/2018 12:26:17 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: IrishBrigade

Weren’t they all vampires?


18 posted on 01/05/2018 12:26:29 PM PST by HombreSecreto (The life of a repo man is always intense)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
There are also several real CSA Negro headstones.

Blacks were used by the Confederate army in a supporting role - musicians, laborers, teamsters, servants, cooks - during much the war. They were not considered part of the army.

19 posted on 01/05/2018 12:27:52 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: WatchungEagle

A number of Negroes fought for the South, perhaps not NC natives, though. Some were as valets to Confederate generals, some enlisted to protect their homes. Several chapters of Sons of the Confederacy have Negro members.


20 posted on 01/05/2018 12:27:52 PM PST by arthurus (bp0oO)
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