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Congressman King seeks citizenship question on U.S. Census form
Radio Iowa ^ | January 2, 2018 | O. Kay Henderson

Posted on 01/03/2018 3:30:55 AM PST by iowamark

Republican Congressman Steve King says census-takers in 2020 should ask if people living in the United States are citizens.

“We need to be counting citizens instead of people for the purposes of redistricting,” King says. “That’s going to take at a minimum a statute and it may take a constitutional amendment and so in this upcoming Census, I want to count separately the citizens separate from the non-citizens, the lawfully present Americans separate from the illegal aliens that are here so that America can see how bad this is.”

King says if the Census is conducted as he proposes, Iowa would gain a congressional seat from a state like California.

“In districts like Maxine Waters, who only needs about 40,000 votes to get reelected in her district and it takes me over 120,000 in mine because hers is loaded with illegals and mine only has a few,” King says. The Justice Department has asked the U.S. Census Bureau to put a citizenship question on the 2020 Census forms, to calculate “the voting-age population” in areas “where voting rights violations are alleged or suspected.” Critics say the question will make it harder to count minorities and immigrants.

The U.S. Census Bureau’s website credits the nation’s founders for planning to “count every person living in the newly-created United States of America and to use that count to determine representation in Congress.” U.S. Supreme Court rulings have upheld the power of congress to direct census-takers to collect other data. The first Census was conducted in 1790 and has been done every 10 years since.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: illegals; immigration; steveking
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1 posted on 01/03/2018 3:30:55 AM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark
Is it a felony to lie to the census taker and say you are a citizen (when you are not)?
2 posted on 01/03/2018 3:33:34 AM PST by Cowboy Bob
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To: iowamark

Echoes of the 3/5 Compromise...

What politicians never learn is how many of these people WANT to remain “in the shadows” - on their own terms. They want the freebies, flushing toilets, and public schools for their children; they’d just rather send their earnings to their home countries than have them taxed for Americans’ retirements - or to pay for those “freebies”.


3 posted on 01/03/2018 3:35:48 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Cowboy Bob

“Is it a felony to lie to the census taker and say you are a citizen (when you are not)? “

Not if you vote for the democrat.


4 posted on 01/03/2018 3:42:42 AM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: iowamark

I can understand the sentiment, but I fail to see how such a proposal could pass consitutional muster.

The clause in question does not speak about citizens - it refers to “free persons”, indentured persons, indians and all others (i.e. the non-free, slaves). Non-citizens (legal or not) are not slaves and not indians - so representation must consider them.


5 posted on 01/03/2018 3:49:00 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Good information from Rep. King.

In California and New York 25% of the population is foreign born.


6 posted on 01/03/2018 4:02:12 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: iowamark
"count every person living in the newly-created United States of America and to use that count to determine representation in Congress."

The problem is that the Founding Fathers never,in a million years,dreamed that foreigners would violate our citizenship/residency laws.And even worse they never dreamed that any politician would tolerate such crimes.

And so,today,I give you the Rat Party!

7 posted on 01/03/2018 4:05:54 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Remember: All Cultures Are Equal!)
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To: iowamark

If there were no wetbacks in this country California would have 40 Congressional districts,New York would have 20 and Illinois would have 15.


8 posted on 01/03/2018 4:07:20 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Remember: All Cultures Are Equal!)
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To: marktwain

25% of California’s population is a staggering figure...


9 posted on 01/03/2018 4:09:22 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: iowamark

THAT question isn’t even ON the form now?? OMG!


10 posted on 01/03/2018 4:13:47 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: iowamark

He is a little bit late if he wants to implement significant changes in the 2020 census.

The wheels are already in motion.


11 posted on 01/03/2018 4:14:10 AM PST by Vlad The Inhaler (United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Remember That Diversity Is The Opposite Of Unity.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
You could be right.If the wording seen above is,in fact,an exact quote from the Constitution then it seems that a Constitutional Amendment would be required...and such an amendment,I suspect,wouldn't stand a chance.

So the solution is to flush out the wetbacks,put them on a bus,build a wall worthy of the East Germans (but with a *much* different purpose) and pass laws providing for serious jail time and fines for anyone employing a wetback and for any person violating our citizenship/residency laws.

12 posted on 01/03/2018 4:14:33 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Remember: All Cultures Are Equal!)
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To: Blue Jays

I am a citizen, yet I don’t answer my door other than for family, friends, and package deliveries.
They will simply have to assume it is an immaculately-maintained yet abandoned residence with functioning utilities. ;-)


13 posted on 01/03/2018 4:14:38 AM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
"....but I fail to see how such a proposal could pass consitutional muster."

The issue has two parts: 1) what questions are asked in the census (I think Congress has the legitimate authority to legislate this).

2) use citizen count only to determine redistricting (would require a Constitutional Amendment per stated amendment process).

14 posted on 01/03/2018 4:29:15 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Gay State Conservative
If the wording seen above is,in fact,an exact quote...

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 2. Which was ammended slightly in the 14th, Section 2. to read "... counting the whole number of persons in each State ..." instead of free persons (since slavery had been abolished.

That section does go on to include some wording about citizenship, but was was in regards to only males over the age of 21.

15 posted on 01/03/2018 4:29:25 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
would require a Constitutional Amendment per stated amendment process

which will never happen so this is nothing more than grandstanding by a congress critter who, by his own words, shows utter contempt for the constitution ...

16 posted on 01/03/2018 4:37:07 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Is it a felony to lie to the census taker and say you are a citizen (when you are not)?

It probably should be but if it is, I have several ancestors who should probably have been in jail. If you study family history you learn that census data is not always the most reliable. Between lazy and incompetent census takers and ancestors who embellish their replies (one of my great grandmothers was born in 1859 according to her tombstone, 1858 according to the 1860 census and 1863 in the 1920 census). I've come to distrust any data point that doesn't recur over multiple years.

Census forms have changed a lot over the years depending on what the government wanted to know. The 1790 census was a simple list of free men and how many people lived in their house. By the late 19th century they had added a lot of details, including names of each child, where people, and their parents, were born, occupation, literacy, and marital status. In 1940, the most recent census on line, the era of mass immigration was over but because of the depression there was a great deal of internal displacement so the questions about where your parents were born went away but they wanted to know where you lived in 1935.

I hope King gets the citizenship question added to the form and that they re-instate the parent's place of birth questions. It's useful for future researchers.

17 posted on 01/03/2018 4:55:47 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Back from the dead)
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To: iowamark

If that is the case, it would seem we only need one question on the census. What is the constitutional basis for all the other questions? None, so why not a citizenship question?


18 posted on 01/03/2018 4:59:05 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Concur. I never open the door unless the camera shows the fedex truck and the guy is in uniform.

If the unlikely event they have a warrant, then I guess they’re gonna come in to quote the Grateful Dead.


19 posted on 01/03/2018 5:02:49 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

California uses the illegals to demand more % of federal dollars than other states, while the illegals are paying no taxes and actually getting tax credits for their anchor babies and other handouts.


20 posted on 01/03/2018 5:08:33 AM PST by GOPe Means Bend Over Spell Run (GO GALT - Support Trump)
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