Posted on 12/15/2017 1:43:58 PM PST by Enchante
I agree with your thoughts there.
I will say that even if our society is severely challenged or infected with evil (if you will), it’s a must to back good guys in power when you have them.
SoConPubbie, you’ll note that portions of this are not in response to your post. It will be topical and you’ll know which parts pertain to what you said. Plain talk, I’m not trying to take you to task as much as remind you of things.
All presidents are isolated. Obama went out of his way to prevent Conservatives and industry related parties from being involved in the development of Obamacare. He isolated the whole working group from opinions from those who WOULD disagree with the Liberal mindset. Trump is no more isolated than any other president.
Twitter was not there when Reagan held office. If it had been, I suspect he would have had someone expressing his views on it, frequently.
We’ve had presidents who acted very presidential. George Bush was one. He didn’t defend Conservatism about 99.5% of the time. I would say that Trump is perhaps the most Presidential President we’ve had in 150 years. He respects government, but he respects the people more. That’s exactly what we need.
He recognizes the problem of the deep state. He recognizes the problem of government over-reach. He recognizes the challenges on the individual, in our nation. He sees with 20/20 vision the problems the Left is causing our nation. he gets Soros too. Trump is nobody’s fool.
Trump defends our views constantly. Further he takes the enemies of Conservatism to task as he should. This isn’t just a series of lame comments. He says things for a reason. If for no other reason, to keep his enemies off balance.
There’s also the fact that a lie just hanging out there, becomes unchallenged truth. Trump won’t stand for that. I woudln’t either. I wouldn’t allow Leftists to say the things they are without trashing them. Trump has my absolute full support for his Twitter activity.
No knowing what his goal is, I’m not going to sign on to him self-censoring. He is my president, and I have enough faith in him to realize I will not have access to all the information (personal details behind the scenes) he does, or understand where he is coming from all the time. I trust he does. He has a purpose for it.
SoConPubbie is right, that the media is just out of control. What better way to counter their constant lies, than for the president of the United States to explain what is true on different matter. He does it all the time. Thank heaven!
He is also right about the level our MSM has sunk to. And of course this demands a president keep them in check with his opposing truth and opinions. “Here public, think of this when you’re hearing the MSM lie to you.” I don’t just support it, it’s sheer genius.
I don’t think we fully grasp how hostile the RNC was to Reagan in his day. I saw how they reacting to Buchanan in the 90s, calling him the next Hitler, because his views in a number of instances were similar to Reagan’s, at least enough so they had to destroy his candidacy. Truth be known, they were probably doing things behind Reagan’s back in the deep state of the 80s. Is it worse now. I am sure that it is. We have lost ground, no doubt about it.
That is Trump’s main goal. He wants us to return to the 1950s. Good on him for as much as he can do to that end. Of course we’re not talking about the bad things from the 50s and 60s, just the wholesome ones.
As for culture, it is an absolute must to get our schools under control.
We need to gut the teacher’s unions, clean up the curriculum, and get back to basics. Politics, the sexual activist activity, has to go. Morals have to be taught again. It’s a foundation stone of our society.
Reagan was a better speaker. I agree with that. Trump does well enough if you listen to the thoughts he is conveying. He gets his message out well enough.
As for Trump not showing as much respect for the Constitution as Reagan did, I’d have to see some examples. His E.O.s have pretty much been dedicated to reversing Obama directives. I don’t think he has been disrespectful of the Constitution.
Reagan was not a street fighter. I’m not honestly sure how he would have reacted to what the political landscape is today. Of course he would have seen society melt down, so he may have upped his game in ways that would be similar to Trump.
Your conclusion is a good one. Reagan was good for his day. Today, I can’t think of a better man to have at the help than Trump, including Reagan. As I usually say about this time, is that there is no insult to Reagan intended.
We live in trying times, and we have a man who has had to react to trying situations for the last 50 years, day in and day out.
When he was running, I referenced him as being perhaps the most qualified man that could become president, because of his CEO experiences. He dealt with regulations at a level not one person on Capital Hill can understand. Not one!
He hasn’t proven me wrong.
Is he perfect? Heck no.
Am I in his corner? 100%.
“All Presidents are isolated”
Yep. But there are degrees of being isolated. Just like there are degrees of media bias and anything else you can name. I go back to Barry Goldwater and I have never seen a President this isolated ... especially in their first year.
FWIW by “isolated” I mean Trump has almost no support from his Party. Instead Trump is basically a one-man show with almost no help from other politicians. That was not the case with much of the terms of Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Dubya or Obama.
For whatever reason Trump has not been able to build coalitions and teams of politicians that support the President the way other Presidents have done. Of course not all of this is his fault. The political environment has skewed far left and the Republican Party has completely deteriorated.
Trump can issue EOs and tweets but his success will be limited without support from other politicians. This was demonstrated by the failure to repeal ObamaCare. Sure the RNC is mostly to blame for that but Trump still needs to find a way to cut deals and get their mind right or HIS success will be limited.
Okay, what you have just told me is that if you were on Capital Hill, Trump would have to do something to get you to vote for good policy.
McConnell and Ryan trashed Trump from the moment he announced. What chance for outreach was there?
The GOPe was anti-Trump as well.
Let me ask you this, the same folks who came up with plan after plan and passed them when Obama was in office, now can’t come up with a single sound one. Limiting the mortgage deduction was a Conservative idea? Sun-setting the cuts in four or five years was a good idea? Good freakin grief.
The same folks who shot their mouth off about good policy when Obama was in office, now couldn’t find a sound policy if it was glued to their forehead.
While your comments may make sense to you, please explain to me why good policy rests on the president, when we have both houses on Capital Hill. I think you’re kidding yourself why we haven’t seen good bills and more progress.
The powers that be in the Republican Party on Capital Hill don’t want it. End of story.
What deals would you suggest for Trump to propose, to buy Conservative support on Capital Hill? If you were there, what would he have to give you?
If I’m there, I’m busting my ass to get my leaders to step up. Trump would not have to say a word, offer a thing.
I consider another form of isolation to be more important. Does he listen to opposing views? I think he does. I think he comes down on the right side of most things, but he isn’t limiting what voices he hears.
McConnell and Ryan could come to meet with him any time they wanted. That’s called access, and it is NOT AT ALL an indicative of an isolated president.
They have chosen to oppose him rather than implement good policy.
In the history books, Trump will get high marks. In that same book McConnell and Ryan will be revealed to be two of the biggest political clowns in our nation’s history.
The had the majority with a president that would have signed any good legislation they sent him.
They refuse to send him any.
This tax bill is acceptable, but it’s also the only big thing remotely decent. And as I just touched on, they put Leftist crap in there.
These two men are absolutely worthless. With the majority they couldn’t do better than this, and it isn’t passed yet.
Good luck with that now that McCain has skipped town.
Trump is the least of our problems.
McConnell and Ryan have isolated themselves off from Conservatives and good policy. It’s a damned shame too.
Unless Trump can cut deals with Congress and get them to support him his success will be limited. Getting people to support you is part of a politician’s job description and guess what... Trump is a politician now. You can blame the tooth fairy. Doesn’t matter. The end result is the same.
You can’t cover all your bases in a short response. I know that.
When it comes to arguing the value of Reagan vs Trump, I really don’t want to get into it. Any such conversation cannot be had without dumping on one or the other. It’s a defeatist issue. Either way, we’d be trashing a great president.
Trump has been very good with regard to the U. S. Constitution > IMO.
As for the homosexual issue, anything that has been ruled upon by the SCOTUS will have to be reviewed when future cases reach the court. Any comment by Trump on those matters would simple alienate future support. He can’t change it.
Congress or the Courts will have to address it in the future.
IMO < there’s too much one the line, to get sidetracked on an issue like that.
I agree with your concluding comments on the matter.
Okay, then what you are saying is we should blame Trump for not getting good legislation out of Congress, when Congress is the body that drafts and passes good legislation.
Got it.
LOL
So the President does what? Just signs bills and issues EOs and tweets?
If Trump wants to get his agenda passed he has to persuade Congress to support his agenda. That’s part of a President’s job ... unless he is fine with just signing or not signing whatever RINO crap they send him.
In the end Trump will be judged by his accomplishments. It is in his interest to work with them and cut whatever deals are needed. After all he sold himself as the deal-maker.
If he had a Democrat controlled Capital Hill to deal with, sure. Reagan had to make deals, persuade.
If your own party members don’t have the stones to devise and pass good legislation, all the persuading in the world won’t work.
Cutting back on pork projects and special hidden deals is exactly why we voted this guy into office. Now you want him to offer up pork projects and special deals to persuade.
This isn’t Romney or Rubio.
What would you like him to offer up, no wall and DACA? That’s all Mitch and Ryan are interested in trading.
Your idea of taking Trump to task here is counter productive in nature. You’re asking for something that would go against why we voted for him.
NO!
FAIL!
I see. That’s what I thought. You just want Trump to sign bills and issue EOs and tweets.
Your problem is with Trump — not me. Trump sold himself as a deal-maker. Apparently you don’t like deals. Good luck with that thinking.
You overlooked several problems with deal making right now, to come up with that absurd take on things, absent those points I made.
You took the pot shot based on Trump’s claim to be a good deal-maker.
What you seem to have ignored is the fact that McConnell and Ryan’s top wish list items right now, are not negotiable.
Trump isn’t, and we aren’t going to offer up DACA or a cancellation of the wall.
Seems as if you just indicated you would.
That’s up to Trump. He’s the big deal-maker and he is not an idealogue.
Let’s see how he does. His political future depends on it.
“President does what? Just signs bills and issues EOs and tweets?”
One way a President forwards his agenda in the long term is through coattails. Trump didn’t have huge coattails in 2016, at least not the kind that resulted in a GOP controlled congress loyal to him and his agenda.
Trump’s victory wasn’t such a huge surprise to me, but it was a surprise to GOP candidates running for the Senate and the House. They were sure he’d lose, so they distanced themselves from him and ran against his agenda.
Reagan, by contrast, had coattails in 1980 and Republicans swept into office knew they had the popularity of Reagan’s message to thank for it. The Republican’s and even many Democrats could see that supporting Reagan was good for their own political prospects. Even so, it wasn’t smooth sailing for RR. For three years, a deep recession made his tax and budget cuts look like a failure. Luckily, the economy kicked in in time to vindicate him and earn him a second landslide victory,
Trump’s case is nearly the exact opposite. The GOP and Dems both turned their back on him and let him go it alone. His success in spite of this has been astounding.
I think he will win reelection handily, but this time, I think the Republicans will wise up and embrace his MAGA movement - and make gains in both houses of congress - but this time it won’t be more RINOs it will be an infusion of new Republicans that actually ran on MAGA and are loyal to Trump. Then he’ll get more accomplished in the second term.
There is a lot of wishful thinking out there. I don’t think a Republican will ever get easily elected or reelected as President again.
Trump needs to get tax cuts, ObamaCare repeal and other major things done to reverse the Obama years. Right now he can’t even get his own majority on board. It may even be harder after 2018. We will see. Trump’s political future depends on it.
“There is a lot of wishful thinking out there.”
You can dismiss it as wishful thinking but I don’t think it’s that at all. Trump is a strong leader, and the people who elected him will double down on their support for him as long as they believe he is still determined to drain the swamp - and he is. He’s the first POTUS to really take on that Herculean task in a very, very long time, (maybe ever) and people know it and appreciate it. Reagan was a hero to me in my younger days - I was 28 in 1980 and I never thought I’d see another hero type president in my lifetime, but Trump is one - and what he’s taking on is far worse.
Congress is filled with weak and feckless politicians who are acting as a barrier between Trump and we the people, and for now, they are obstructing his efforts and thwarting the will of the people - but that will not end well for them.
Pundits think Trump has to get congress to pass a certain amount of legislation or his supporters will abandon him. I doubt that - people are watching and can see who’s obstructing. They know who to blame. This business with Roy Moore and some guy in NJ losing - this is not a bellwether of anything. Trump’s MAGA supporters are more determined than ever and will be in full force to elect candidates who run on a MAGA platform.
I don’t know a single Trump supporter that’s disappointed in their vote. Not a single one. True, in retrospect everyone says Hillary was such a pathetic candidate, but that’s not what they were saying before she lost.
Whoever the Democrats put up next time - Trump will make them look just as pathetic as Hillary. Whoever it is, Trump will mop the floor with him, or her, or it.
Poor thing. You actually thought that countered my comment.
Do yourself a favor and quit while your just looking rather silly.
This is the first big legislation that appears as if it will make it to Trump’s desk.
What you seemingly want to see is Trump make offers to swing a deal.
All that would do is set a precidence where Trump would have to anti up whenever a big bill was under consideration.
That would not be making a good deal. You couldn’t figure that out on yourr own. LOL
I wonder how the bill will affect Trump’s working class supporters. Time will tell.
McCain is staying home to recuperate and does anyone know what Collins is thinking these days?
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