Posted on 12/08/2017 3:18:08 PM PST by Reno89519
Ask Sarah why she didn't see that a little bit earlier: that she and Abraham were supposed to carry out God's plan God's way.
While you're asking, ask Hagar how their reproductive scheme worked out for her.
And while you're researching that, check out Ishmael.
Reproductive concubinage --- the Biblical equivalent of surrogacy --- turns out to be a very fraught story, an imbroglio that continues to this day.
He’s resigning so that’s “his side of it” from my point of view. Resigning is the right call and I hope he gets replaced with a better man.
And it’s all true.
Nothing new under the sun.
Look at all the trouble Abraham & Sarah brought in the world by using Hagar as a surrogate.
We’re still fighting off Ishamel’s children.
Doesn't sound much like looking for a surrogate.
>>>It deprives kids of having a bond with the woman who gave them birth, and deprived the so-called “gestational carrier” (demeaning term: what is she, a perambulator?) her bonds with the kids she gave birth to. And, crucially, this is done deliberately, by plan.
Are you opposed to adoption as well?
There is much that doesn’t add up.
As to why he couldn’t use the same service, it all depends. A typical situation for a rich, old, white man wanting children is that he buys eggs from a Russian or Ukrainian woman, because he wants tall, attractive, white children. He might rent a womb in India or Thailand, but in the U.S., many of the women who will carry his children are the wives of U.S. military enlisted men, for whom the fee as a “surrogate” is two or three years of what she’d make part-time waitressing.
If his twins’ mother was a military wife, maybe she’s out of the business now. The agencies that set these things up come and go, too, so it’s possible he couldn’t just do a re-do, as it were.
A damned congressman who has $5,000,000 to buy some action shows they’re all thieves. And damned stupid, too. Buy a kid from Mexico and buy a Mexican hooker and save $4,990,000.
ROFL!!!
I can only assume he looked in the mirror and figured it would take at least $5,000,000 to get a woman to have sex with him so he tried to get her to throw in a baby.
Sorry - maybe I’m missing something but where does it say this happened recently? Is it not possible that he approached them when they were searching for a surrogate initially?
Unfortunately I think the things you listed are currently under Job Requirements :(
MANY have to go and we need to get back to what the founders wanted.
It wasn’t supposed to be a career, no less an INCREDIBLY lucrative one.
Sometimes I worry about you!
But some here worry about me so we’re even :)
Man, mental note to not get on your bad side :)
That was pretty funny though.
What a creep! Arizona? He’s a lefty regardless of Party.
I’ve been looking at the reports, trying to figure out when the events happened, but there’s nothing. However, even if it was, say, ten years ago, he was 50, his wife late 40s, and the idea of an infertility emergency that required hitting up his staff is bizarre.
That's assuming the adopters are coming to the aid of a child whose natural family they did not bust up or prevent from forming in the first place.
Look at it from this angle: adoption is structured as an intervention to serve the needs of kids. Surrogacy is structured to serve the wants of paying adult customers.
Adoption means a couple steps into a pre-existing suboptimal situation in which a child has been sadly deprived of his own natural parents, and they do their level best to supply what he tragically lacks.
That is, they have not deprived him of his natural parents.
In surrogacy, the purchaser-family CAUSES the child to be brought into existence without maternal bonding, and outside of his own natural family. (In fact, it would be considered a undesirable complication if the birth-giving mother formed a strong bond with the child, and the child with her.)
The difference between adoption and surrogacy, then, is the difference between helping a kid who (tragically) has a broken leg, vs breaking the kid's leg and then "helping" him.
Looks like he had a hard time coming into this world (photos).
No fun in that.
They have 8 year old twins via a surrogate so it was around 10 years ago.
The article at #77 quotes Rep. Franks as saying he wanted another child, so that would place the alleged events more recently than the birth of his twins.
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