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Justices take up dispute over wedding cake for gay couple
AP ^ | 12/5/17 | Mark Sherman

Posted on 12/05/2017 2:21:07 AM PST by markomalley

The Supreme Court is taking up the highly anticipated case of the Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Tuesday’s clash at the high court pits baker Jack Phillips’ First Amendment claims of artistic freedom against the anti-discrimination arguments of the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, and two men Phillips turned away in 2012.

The commission ruled that Phillips violated the state’s anti-discrimination law when he refused to make a wedding cake for Charlie Craig and David Mullins.

The argument is the first involving gay rights since the Supreme Court ruled in 2015 that states could not prevent same-sex couples from marrying.

The Trump administration is supporting Phillips in his argument that he can’t be forced to create a cake that violates his religious beliefs. It appears to be the first time the federal government has asked the justices to carve out an exception from an anti-discrimination law.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda
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1 posted on 12/05/2017 2:21:07 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

“Gay rights”. When did it become a right to force others to do things they don’t want? That’s what “gay rights” is all about I think. Not the right to do what they want, the power for force others to do what they don’t want.


2 posted on 12/05/2017 2:44:01 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: markomalley

>>Tuesday’s clash at the high court pits baker Jack Phillips’ First Amendment claims of artistic freedom against the anti-discrimination arguments of the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, and two men Phillips turned away in 2012.

Same sex marriage wasn’t even recognized by Colorado in 2012 (not until 2014).

How can you be compelled by the state to produce a wedding cake when the state itself does not recognize the wedding or marriage???


3 posted on 12/05/2017 2:45:22 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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To: markomalley

The objective is destruction of the traditional family, and squashing people of faith.


4 posted on 12/05/2017 2:50:28 AM PST by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

I agree... The whole pageantry of the thing is one of force and idolizing it. If it’s to be permitted to carry on, please I hope our government will not require the unwilling to be caught up in it.


5 posted on 12/05/2017 2:56:42 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: SecAmndmt

Catching up the unwilling is what takes it from a closet activity towards a Sodom-grade activity.


6 posted on 12/05/2017 2:59:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: markomalley

But he didnt refuse to make a cake for 2 homosexual men
He refused to make a cake for a homosexual ceremony
If 2 straight people wanted to order a homosexual ceremony cake he woulda denied them too
If the lads wanted a birthday cake I’m sure he woulda baked one for them


7 posted on 12/05/2017 3:37:44 AM PST by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

> When did it become a right to force others to do things they
> don’t want? That’s what “gay rights” is all about I think.
> Not the right to do what they want, the power for force
> others to do what they don’t want.

Best distillation of the problem I’ve seen.

Bears repeating.


8 posted on 12/05/2017 3:43:21 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

The left wants to force people to choose between their job and their faith. By making them go against their faith, they hope to destroy their faith.


9 posted on 12/05/2017 3:52:13 AM PST by I want the USA back (Muzzies: Bammy's true love.)
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To: silverleaf
But he didnt refuse to make a cake for 2 homosexual men
He refused to make a cake for a homosexual ceremony

A fine line that the court will have to take into consideration.

10 posted on 12/05/2017 3:53:00 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: markomalley

Did they refuse to sell him a cake? Or did they refuse to embellish the cake with words that conscience wouldn’t allow them to use? Methinks there’s a difference.


11 posted on 12/05/2017 3:55:47 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: a fool in paradise
How can you be compelled by the state to produce a wedding cake when the state itself does not recognize the wedding or marriage???

That is an argument that could be used against the baker as well.

12 posted on 12/05/2017 3:59:00 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: markomalley

What can you say about the sodomites. They have regained the power of their glory days in Sodom as the enemies of decency, the purveyors of diseases of mind and body, and the open hatred for Christians.


13 posted on 12/05/2017 4:06:27 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Westbrook
"When did it become a right to force others to do things they don’t want? "

Since the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The court will side with the plaintiffs using the rationale it is not lawful to refuse to sell to blacks. I agree with your sentiments, I just do not foresee a favorable decision.

14 posted on 12/05/2017 4:07:59 AM PST by buckalfa (Slip sliding away towards senility.)
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To: markomalley

Militant homosexuality wants to eliminate Christianity since they will not celebrate their lifestyle.


15 posted on 12/05/2017 4:08:03 AM PST by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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To: SecAmndmt

Agree, except you left out access to children.


16 posted on 12/05/2017 4:09:00 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
“Gay rights”. When did it become a right to force others to do things they don’t want? That’s what “gay rights” is all about I think. Not the right to do what they want, the power for force others to do what they don’t want.

By your reasoning, I should not have to serve black people at my lunch counter, allow interracial couples to ride in my taxi, let Asian people rent one of my cars, or provide a room to Hispanic people at my hotel.

17 posted on 12/05/2017 4:29:47 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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By your reasoning, I should not have to serve black people at my lunch counter...

Why should you have to serve anyone? Isn't that slavery? It doesn't matter whether your motives are good or bad, as long as you're not harming anyone else or taking away their freedom to do what they want. The government should never be in the business of forcing people to do things against their will, regardless of what they're "thinking". Maybe you don't want to serve someone for another reason completely, and they just happen to be black, or homosexual, or a woman, or whatever? Who determines what you're thinking?
18 posted on 12/05/2017 4:34:55 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: buckalfa

Behavior is NOT ancestry.

It is what these people DO that violates the religious conscience.

NOT their ancestry.


19 posted on 12/05/2017 4:36:28 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it)
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To: I want the USA back
"The left wants to force people to choose between their job and their faith."

"And that no man might buy or sell, except he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."--Revelation 13:17.
20 posted on 12/05/2017 4:37:56 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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