Posted on 10/26/2017 7:18:58 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Will there by a call to prayer on board? Facing the East?
DE boats running on battery in littoral waters can be extremely dangerous. To get an idea how quiet they are, go out to your garage, open your car hood, and listen to the battery.
These things are basically smart, slightly mobile, deadly mines with range.
Lol.
I always laugh at articles referencing the difficulty of detecting these type of diesel powered subs. Doing so is stupidly easy. I’m just a civilian but figured out the math behind that a long time ago just on a whim.
What a joke.
Not sure why we would need to be in littoral waters anyway because we don’t do beach front landings of airborne units.
five-times-a-day prayers are only for the drones
Time to start building small, inexpensive destroyer escorts again.
We definitely need a war with Iran. Our national debt isn’t big enough, it needs to grow some more. Iraq war cost $3 trillion. Surely we can beat that number with an Iran war. And any excuse to borrow more money from China should be taken
Please elucidate.
They’ve watched waaaay too many John Wayne movies.
The entire Persian Gulf is littoral waters.
But I agree, we should steer clear.
Nice to know that Western Universities helped train the Iranian Engineers who will use that knowledge to design Weapons that put our Military at risk.
Oh yeah, and the Democrat Politicians who gave away our Technology to our Enemies.
Just sayin’...
“The Iranian military has long planned for a defensive naval war in the Persian Gulf,”
Starts off with a lie.
Their intentions have never been “defensive” in the gulf.
They tried putting out minefields and launching silkworm missiles at tankers to blockade the gulf back in the day.
Their intentions have always been belligerent offense.
I know you're just a civilian and all, but have you heard how many times we lose CVs in mock engagements with allied diesel subs?
You might want to share your homework with the DoD is all I'm saying...
"To put it simply, if naval exercises in the last two decades involving foreign diesel-electric submarines had been actual combat, most if not all, U.S. aircraft carriers would be at the bottom of the ocean: as many as 10 U.S. aircraft carriers have been reported “sunk” in these exercises.
The analytically conservative Congressional Budget Office was alarmed enough to officially report that “some analysts argue that the Navy is not very good at locating diesel-electric submarines, especially in noisy, shallower waters near coastal areas. Exercises with allied navies that use diesel-electric submarines confirm that problem…[For example,] Israeli diesel-electric submarines, which until recently were relatively old, are said to always ‘sink’ some of the large and powerful warships of the U.S. Sixth Fleet in exercises. And most recently, an Australian Collins-class submarine penetrated a U.S. carrier battlegroup and was in a position to sink an aircraft carrier during exercises off Hawaii in May 2000.”
There have been many such exercise “sinkings” since then, including aircraft carriers Reagan and Lincoln.
Moreover, the problem stems not just from the latest, 21st-century diesel-electric submarine technology from the West, it occurs in the form of various earlier technology submarines built in Russia, operated by China, and/or available to various lesser navies, such as Peru’s, and throughout the world.
The latter navies include North Korea’s and Iran’s. The problem was dramatically demonstrated when a Chinese Song-class submarine surfaced—previously undetected—in the middle of a U.S. carrier battlegroup much too close for comfort to the USS Kittyhawk in 2006."
If is not quiet in the water it dies. If it is quiet and sinks one American Ship a lot of things die, such as their entire surface fleet, their entire air force, all military and naval installations an any damn sub we can find and we can find them.
Pretty sure our guys got it.
Re “mock engagements.” You don’t show all your cards in those. Sun Tzu (paraphrasing): Make the enemy think you are weak where you are strong.
The math and physics just aren’t that tough, and sure our DARPA people are more than smart enough to have figured it out.
I’m not going to give up details on a public forum that potential enemies could see. That said, any DARPA person or the like is free to contact me directly (sure they know how to do so) if you need help. Likelihood such people need my help on this particular issue: 0.01%
PS IMHO the real concern now is degradation of operations and morale, not tech. Think we are turning a corner (in a good way) now with Trump running the show, but it will take some time.
Bad analogy. That battery does not make the prop spin, a motor does and motors produce magnetic pulses in addition to the prop wash creating cavitation of the compressed water. Our stuff can hear an ant fart, not literally, but you get the point.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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I know a couple of sonar guys that would love to chat with you.
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