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Posted on 09/17/2017 5:17:45 AM PDT by AdmSmith
Nearly half of Russian citizens approve of 1939's Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, a Levada Center poll released on Wednesday has found.
Thirteen percent of Levada’s respondents said they “definitely approve” of the pact, while 32 percent they “somewhat approve” of it.
A combined 17 percent said they “definitely” or “somewhat” disapprove of the treaty that the USSR and Nazi Germany signed on Aug. 23, 1939.
Two-fifths of the 1,600 people polled said they had “heard of” the pact and “think that it happened in real life,” the survey revealed. One-third said they’ve never heard of it, while 17 percent said the pact was a “fake.”
On this day 1939 the Soviet Union invaded Poland during World War II, more than two weeks after Nazi Germany had launched its assault.
I guess the other half supported the Nazi invasion of Russia - which was going to happen with or without the agreement.
New propaganda has been working on people. I remember seeing from a documentary where their deputies were shocked after finding out about the Secret Protocols being true after all in 1990 or so.
From what I’ve read Poland rebuffed any suggestion of a joint defensive treaty with the Soviets. No one had seen the Nazi war machine in action yet and the Poles thought they’d rather go it alone with only British and French promises.
Why would they? The Soviets invaded them in 1920 and were rightfully just as worried about them as Germany.
seems like the Soviet educational system rivals ours.
The only serious question of European history is, “where does the border between Germany and Russia lie?”
Stalingrad is too far East. The Elbe is too far West.
The rest is history.
and what Stalin knew is here https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol50no1/9_BK_What_Stalin_Knew.htm
Soviet/Russia is referring to the WWII as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Patriotic_War_(term) and they do not want to be reminded that they started WWII together with Nazi Germany.
Stalin was demanding that about 2,000,000 Soviet troops were to be placed in Poland. Poland thought that if they’d allow it then the Soviets would never leave.
Quite justified fear as after Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania allowed Soviet forces on their territory as part of a similar treaties the Soviets used these forces to invade and install puppet governments.
Wasn’t there a Polish politician in the 30’s who, when asked why they wouldn’t allow soviet troops in Poland as part of an alliance against Hitler, said something like “with Germany we lose our wallets, with Russia we lose our soul?
The sentence sounds familiar, but I am not sure.
The track record is quite clear though. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania accepted the Soviet troops and were all invaded by them. Finland delayed until eventually Soviets invaded anyway, but without their troops already present and against all odds the Finns won.
They correctly considered the Soviets to be worse than the Nazis.
Rock and a hard place. What would have given Hitler pause for a little while was a British, French, Polish, commie pact. Stalin was terrified of Hitler and felt the west was fine with a Nazi/Soviet war fought in eastern Europe. Stalin felt frozen out by the west so he reached out to Hitler to make the best deal he could. Poor Poland never had a chance regardless of what the big powers decided on.
For most Russians “approving” of the Pact likely has nothing to do with the secret protocols and Stalin’s cynical politics. They have been raised on the idea that the Nazi-Soviet Pact bought time for rearmament that ultimately allowed the SU to prevail, and saved its population from enslavement and extermination by the Nazis. This is hard to refute since it fits historical evidence and outcomes. (Using outcomes as proof of causation isn’t proper logic, but it is how people tend to operate).
Your statement nails it perfectly without all the messy details.
Looks like... is universal--
Gadzooks-- How far... has the human race fallen!
That was the logic when the USSR claimed that the existence of the secret protocols is an American lie. Soviets relied on useful idiot academics for their propaganda and that is why they made their lies consistent.
What you are saying is a newer kind of lie. A post truth society lie, where it doesn’t even make logical sense, but the liar doesn’t care.
For 11 years (1922 to 1933), the whole world was almost entirely shielded from Germany's clandestine military build-up and military development efforts in the Soviet Union. A political flap did occur in 1926 when the Social-Democrats of Germany publicly announced some aspects of the German-Soviet military co-operation efforts (the Manchester Guardian in England also helped by publishing a number of articles on the subject), but it went on largely undetected. After the victory of the Nationalist Socialists in 1933, one-by-one, the veils or remilitarization were lifted until 1935 when the formation of the Wehrmacht was offically announced and the various measures designed to cover up their reformation were dropped.
https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-Military-Soviet-Union
Furthermore, “The Soviet Story 2008” is worth watching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO6-nuk0UhA
info:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1305871/
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