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To: llevrok
so if this turns out to be cyberhacking (I have difficulty believing three or more crews all could be so piss poor at navigating), will the Navy say “ummmm....never mind!”

Have you ever been in the military? The military does not leave anything-up to a single system, especially for the big stuff like a ship. This was a failure of command. there should have been lookouts, radar and automated systems. Sure one system could be hacked, but not all at once. Someone was not doing their job.
10 posted on 08/23/2017 12:07:30 AM PDT by JoSixChip (Repeal and replace the gopE.)
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To: JoSixChip
No I haven't been in the military. But I do understand about chains of command and redundancy in operating a ship from years of following comments on FR, being a military history student and spent part of my career in export logistics (ocean bulk carriers)

So the question is, with all this navigating redundancy - human and electronic - built in, why have there been two collisions and one grounding in the last 6 months all in the same area of the Pacific?

I don't know. Something does not make sense here is what I am saying. These are Aegis class ships that can track an “incoming bumble bee” from over the horizon. I find it hard to believe that the nav systems and processes failed so frequently in waters that are sailed every day.

14 posted on 08/23/2017 12:24:38 AM PDT by llevrok (A group of baboons is called a "congress." Just sayin' .....)
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To: JoSixChip
Have you ever been in the military? The military does not leave anything-up to a single system, especially for the big stuff like a ship. This was a failure of command. there should have been lookouts, radar and automated systems. Sure one system could be hacked, but not all at once. Someone was not doing their job.

Back in 1979 I worked as a Liberty Launch Engineman on a Med Sea Cruise. We anchored about a mile and a half out off Venice, Italy one morning and began running boats from ship to shore for Liberty Call. After Dusk Navy Regs required a Commissioned Officer be on board the boat if we were underway going to or from the ship to shore.

A Squadron Officer walked on board the boat with his map and his compass and proceed to set our course which was almost 90 degrees different than that of what we had gone all day. We were well experienced at night runs and in during our trips in and out had found landmarks, marker lights on buoys, etc which we used. He insisted he was right so off we went and in about 15 minutes I heard the screw come out of the water. We were in about 2 feet of water. I told the Coxun to stop the boat and put in in reverse at just above idle and we backed out. The Officer had no more orders for us that evening LOL.

BTW in a fog bank one night we were running a 50' boat back to ship and hit a fog bank right outside the sea wall. All of the sudden we saw massive lights and saw people inside the staterooms from a cruise liner that barely missed us. The ships Sonar Techs got us back to the ship finally but it took time for them to determine who was who.

16 posted on 08/23/2017 12:38:06 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: JoSixChip

On three ships and all of a sudden? I am betting this was cyber hacking terrorism.


30 posted on 08/23/2017 3:21:50 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: JoSixChip
Someone was not doing their job.

Anyone have any idea how many someones on each of these two vessels would have to screw up for these collisions to occur?

41 posted on 08/23/2017 4:13:29 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: JoSixChip

His next in command will go to. 2 ships collide under same commander’s watch, heads roll. To bad they can’t get his pension too.


52 posted on 08/23/2017 4:37:24 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: JoSixChip

Yeah, those tankers are kinda’ hard to see.


73 posted on 08/23/2017 5:57:05 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (If GOP won House, Senate and Presidency...why are the Democrats still in charge?)
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To: JoSixChip

Two ships.

Two incidents.

It hints rather strongly at something very wrong with operations and training.


122 posted on 08/23/2017 1:34:01 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: JoSixChip

How many redundant systems for steering? It’s just nuts to think a Navy vessel wouldn’t have backups for such a vulnerable system as steering. So that leaves us with two questions.. who is sinking Destroyers? And why is everyone covering it up?
Utter failures in training.. wouldn’t a fleet commander start immediately ramping up combat training after the Fitzgerald?
Bad at nav? Well yes. Our entire computer system went down company wide. We rolled out the paper trail o matic of old and got back to work.
Some people had never worked without a computer. They were just helpless. Think about it.. these kids are young and have no idea how to nav without technology.


159 posted on 08/24/2017 5:24:11 AM PDT by momincombatboots (White Stetsons up.. let's save our country!)
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To: JoSixChip
Someone was not doing their job.

Not true. MANY people wore not doing their job.

177 posted on 08/24/2017 4:26:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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