Posted on 08/03/2017 12:04:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
A bad leak in many ways. Confidentiality breeds candor, and you want the president to be candid when talking to foreign leaders. If he has to worry about his conversations leaking, he won’t be. Conceivably there’s a pressing national security concern that might override that concern — if, say, the worst suspicions of hardcore anti-Trumpers were true and he were colluding with the Kremlin to undermine American interests, you might justify leaking a transcript in that case. But there’s nothing like that in the WaPo piece. The most embarrassing part, it seems, is Trump asking the president of Mexico to stop saying publicly that his country won’t pay for the wall, as that creates a political problem for him here. This is, in other words, a leak designed purely to humiliate him and stoke his mistrust, not to alert the public about any alarming malfeasance. No wonder Trump is paranoid about the people surrounding him in the West Wing.
Maybe worst of all, he might conclude from this that his new disciplinarian chief of staff, John Kelly, can’t solve one of the White House’s core problems. You would think a natsec leaker would take that into account. If you’re a Trump skeptic who’s pleased to see Kelly trying to professionalize the operation, why the hell would you undermine him by leaking transcripts of phone calls that happened six months ago and that aren’t very scandalous? Here’s Trump on the call with Enrique Pena-Nieto:
The only thing I will ask you though is on the wall, you and I both have a political problem. My people stand up and say, Mexico will pay for the wall and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language. But the fact is we are both in a little bit of a political bind because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall I have to. I have been talking about it for a two year period, and the reason I say they are going to pay for the wall is because Mexico has made a fortune out of the stupidity of U.S. trade representatives. They are beating us at trade and they are beating us at the border, and they are killing us with drugs. Now I know you are not involved with that, but regardless of who is making all the money, billions and billions and billions some people say more is being made on drug trafficking that is coming through Mexico. Some people say that the business of drug trafficking is bigger than the business of taking our factory jobs. So what I would like to recommend is if we are going to have continued dialogue we will work out the wall. They are going to say, who is going to pay for the wall, Mr. President? to both of us, and we should both say, we will work it out. It will work out in the formula somehow. As opposed to you saying, we will not pay and me saying, we will not pay.
Because you and I are both at a point now where we are both saying we are not to pay for the wall. From a political standpoint, that is what we will say. We cannot say that anymore because if you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that. I am willing to say that we will work it out, but that means it will come out in the wash and that is okay. But you cannot say anymore that the United States is going to pay for the wall. I am just going to say that we are working it out. Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important talk about. But in terms of dollars or pesos it is the least important thing. I know how to build very inexpensively, so it will be much lower than these numbers I am being presented with, and it will be a better wall and it will look nice. And it will do the job.
Trump doesn’t even concede that Mexico won’t pay for the wall. The most damning thing he says is the bit about how the wall is the “least important thing that we are talking about” but politically the most important. That implies that he sees the wall less as an essential deterrent to illegal immigration than an essential component of his strongman persona — which it is, of course. He can tolerate an arrangement in which Mexico doesn’t pay for it, or all of it. But telling the press that they won’t? Nuh uh. That’s bad for his image.
He also told Pena-Nieto regarding illegal drugs coming into the U.S. from Mexico, “I won New Hampshire because New Hampshire is a drug-infested den. Whether that description is accurate or not, he, er, did not win New Hampshire last year. Meanwhile, a noteworthy bit from his contentious call with Malcolm Turnbull in which they discuss whether Trump will honor the deal made by Obama to accept a number of refugees from Australia:
TRUMP
Malcom [sic], why is this so important? I do not understand. This is going to kill me. I am the worlds greatest person that does not want to let people into the country. And now I am agreeing to take 2,000 people and I agree I can vet them, but that puts me in a bad position. It makes me look so bad and I have only been here a week…TURNBULL
You can certainly say that it was not a deal that you would have done, but you are going to stick with it.TRUMP
I have no choice to say that about it. Malcom [sic], I am going to say that I have no choice but to honor my predecessors deal. I think it is a horrible deal, a disgusting deal that I would have never made. It is an embarrassment to the United States of America and you can say it just the way I said it. I will say it just that way. As far as I am concerned that is enough Malcom [sic]. I have had it. I have been making these calls all day and this is the most unpleasant call all day. Putin was a pleasant call. This is ridiculous.
If Trump had told Turnbull that he privately had no problem with accepting the refugees but had to put on a tough-guy facade for his base, that arguably might have been newsworthy enough to justify a limited leak. The president doesn’t believe in his own immigration policy! But he sounds here exactly like he did during the campaign. He doesn’t want the refugees, warning at one point that they could produce another pair of Boston bombers, but he agrees to accept them reluctantly to show that the U.S. will honor its commitments. The only “news” is that he did in fact have a pissy conversation with a close U.S. ally. Which we’ve known about for ages, even though Trump denied it on Twitter at the time.
Anyway. Who leaked? It’s tempting to assume that this came from the West Wing, as transcripts of presidential calls with world leaders are closely held, but upper-tier natsec and diplomatic officers surely had access to them too — and as David Frum notes, if the leaker had this, he/she has access to many other secrets. Given the turnover in the White House lately, there’s no shortage of disgruntled former employees who might have had a revenge motive to embarrass Trump. Reince and his allies? One of the NSC deputies purged by McMaster recently? A master betrayal by the Mooch? (Well, no, probably not him.) Or, as I suggested up top, is the real target here John Kelly? The more Trump is humiliated by leaks on Kelly’s watch, the more likely he is to decide that the new chief is ineffective and it’s time to go back to old-school Trump loyalists in the inner circle.
Another media huge bite to rehash old news. These leaks are classified information. McMaster is apparently saying “don’t worry about it” (as he extended Susan Rice’s security clearance. Does Hillary still have her’s? Xan someone ask?)
Deep State is in full attack mode and McMaster is selling Trump to the wolves. Fire him!
I heard about these same leaks over six months ago.
What else you got?
Actually, he needs a canoeing accident
The emerging reality....there are NO leakers.
Obama bugged everything to get dirt on Trump.
No doubt about it. The White House is bugged. Obama’s people in Kalorama are listening and leaking.
Hope replacing the “heating and cooling system” in the White House while Trump is on vacation will do the trick!
Fire McMaster, too.
This does not do the country any good. I hope the voters realize this and vote accordingly in the next election.
“Hope replacing the heating and cooling system in the White House while Trump is on vacation will do the trick!”
I THINK YOU NAILED IT. Trump’s ‘vacation’ to New Jersey will allow some sense of privacy, while the exterminators work.
As we discussed previously, it does appear there is sophisticated intercept technology being employed against the President. Only skilled security operatives are employing these devices. This disclosure is a verbatim transcript not someones recollection.
It must be comforting to our enemies that our vaunted intelligence agencies cannot detect who is leaking top security matters. However, I believe that our intelligence agencies know exactly who is doing the leaking.
Another way of looking at that would be to conclude that it's our vaunted intelligence agencies who are doing the leaking of top security matters.
If the conversations were scrambled or encoded in some way, the breach is worse yet.
But Trump didn’t say the wall was the least important thing, he added that in terms of dollars or pesos it was the least important thing.
I think these conversations reflect a solid negotiator putting his stance across in a firm but open manner. They are in no way an indictment of Trump. Far from it.
This is amazing. It is amazing because of its absence of any incriminating evidence.
And like the article sez, it actually exposes a SERIOUS problem. This sort of leak is unimaginable. Yet there it is.
There is an old political proverb that goes something like this:
Never write down what you can say
Never say what you can whisper.
Never whisper what you can nod.
Never nod what you can wink.
And never wink what you can smile.
I think email, text and tweets go at the top though, nowadays.
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