Posted on 07/05/2017 6:28:50 AM PDT by robroys woman
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No, it’s the law.
And I refuse to play. My solution was to keep my taxable income low enough that the 8% rule applied, just as the solution for a lot of small businesses was to STAY small to protect them from the mandate.
A law that causes that sort of activity is seriously flawed.
Single payer health systems will lead to them deciding if your 11 year old child lives or dies not you.
‘Insurance’ of ANY kind was designed for THE BIG STUFF - totaling your car, your house burning down, terminal cancer, etc.
‘We The People’ have been sold a pig in a poke by many entities through the years.
“It seems like very high deductible insurance combined with health savings accounts would be the way to go.”
Surely you jest! That’s Treasonous Talk, making individuals RESPONSIBLE for their own health care and budgeting for it, as well?!?!
*SMIRK*
I agree with you, 100%...and then some!
(Disclosure: I’m a Vet, so I get my care through the VA...but I didn’t always!)
Totally. I live in the hidden world without insurance. We are members of
Liberty Health Share and we are
Mostly cash pay patients so we use medical services carefully, the way a family pays for food, transportation, vacations. We’re
Set for
Catastrophic and we do due diligence to find cheaper
Ways to have tests and other health services. There is a whole world
Of Us out there. The doctors and providers love it and we love it. Google self pay patient and just start discovering. You can travel out of state for procedures too and save $.
Reality is refreshing. This communist single payer stuff is total BS.
Our system encourages waste. You spend hundreds a month, for years, not needing any (significant) medical care. Then, when you need something, neither you or your doctor are spending their own money - you’re both spending a 3rd parties money (insurance company). Of course, the “give me the works” attitude kicks in, from both patient and doctor. The patient wants the best care possible and the doctor can be held liable if they don’t (and something happens).
This entire 3-way system, which is really a 4-way system when you include lawyers, does nothing but encourage high costs. Of course, nobody feel sorry for the insurance industry because any denial of coverage makes them look like monsters. If they didn’t though the costs would go up even faster.
This low-cost MRI, along with LASIC, are great examples of lowering cost via competition when the consumer spends their own money. Somehow, we need to inject this approach into medicine in general. Maybe have insurance companies provide a percent based reimbursement of health services purchased, so it’s in my best interests to shop around.
I pretty much agree. However, you said, “Then, when you need something...”. I would change it to “IF you need something”. And often, I don’t need what they are selling. e.g. if I get cancer, I’m not going for Chemo. I’ll go for something like the Gerson method, which is just a few thousand dollars. And since I have friends that have been cured of stage four cancer using that, I’m good with it.
Chiropractors have been medical marvels for me as well. And I had high blood pressure so the doctor prescribed pills. I took two and threw the rest away. That was seven years ago. I changed my diet and my blood pressure is completely normal.
Fact is, most of the expensive stuff the “AMA approved” community wants to do is not something I’m interested in. Not all, but most. It would be dumb for me to get insurance to cover stuff I wouldn’t even want if they thought I needed it.
At 63, the only pills my wife and I take are over the counter pain killers. Meanwhile, our insured peers and contemporaries are ALL complaining and concerned about the cost of their prescription drugs. It’s like we live in two worlds and their world is trying to force itself on us.
That is not how it works in a free country. This isn’t the old USSR. Yet...
Single Payer lie = MULTI TAX PAYER Healthcare
What diet do you use for Normal Blood Pressure??
In a word, “healthy”.
We raise our own chickens for eggs, don’t overeat, eat almost zero processed foods and very rarely eat at restaurants.
It’s fun to look at people at the costco checkout line and then compare what we see to what food items they are buying. There is usually a strong correlation.
In my case, I also don’t overdo it with salt, since it is a problem in my family, genetically.
Well, in the case of this company, they can provide MRIs cheaper for several reasons.
1. They don’t have to eat the cost of delivering illegal alien babies for free, or providing other services for free.
2. They don’t have to mess with insurance company forms and the associated billing departments and bureaucracy
3. They don’t have to mess with government bureaucracy.
Those 3 things alone will probably eliminate half the cost of providing services.
Yep. They are run like any other business in a FREE economy. i love it.
I have been preaching this for years: The single most important change for lowering the cost of health care is to require transparency so that consumers can comparative shop for services. Nearly every state has consumer protection laws that require grocery stores, retail stores, gas stations, car dealerships, etc. to clearly mark the total price and/or unit price of the items for sale so that consumers know the price before they buy and can comparative shop for a lower price if they so choose.
Prior to Obamacare, health care consumers did not have to comparative shop because most consumers only had to pay a flat co-pay regardless of the actual cost of the service or procedure, which brings me to the second most important change for lowering the cost of health care: Create an incentive for health care consumers to comparative shop by getting rid of the flat fee co-pay. Instead, set co-pays as a percentage of the cost of the medical service or procedure so that the consumer has skin in the game and a reason to comparative shop. Better yet, get rid of co-pays altogether and require the consumer to pay out-of-pocket and seek reimbursement from the health insurer.
The third most important change for lowering the cost of health care is to prohibit health care insurers from penalizing providers for charging consumers less than the negotiated insurance rate for medical care.
Glad to hear you’ve not been ensnared into the pill popping culture. I believe most of our ailments can be managed by lifestyle changes.
Over the last 2 years I’ve quit smoking, changed my diet, lost 50+ lbs, and gained muscle. I feel so much better. My back pain is gone, I have energy, I feel better mentally, and my stress level is lower. It was not without significant effort, most would rather take a pill. Until we understand biology from the atom to the genome to the behavior of every cell in our bodies, there will be snake oil products. Even today, drugs get to market by measuring the statistical differences in outcome compared to a placebo. The underlying science as to “why” is still not close to being understood.
An unadulerated source for meat is difficult to find at food stores. Canned or packaged meat has added salt, like canned ham, usually disguising it’s taste so consumers cannot detect spoiled aging.
We share in a steer with our neighbors. We’re on our fourth one.
#20 You can have 2 babies for the price of 1 with a groupon.
Just pick out an extra kid in the maternity ward on your way out.....
It not only is the best solution practically, it’s the most freedom-based (which means it’s the right one).
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