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Homeland Security secretary suggests amnesty for Dreamers, implores Congress to solve problem
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Posted on 06/12/2017 2:03:54 PM PDT by Cubs Fan

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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; 9YearLurker; Liz; GOPJ; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne

“Whoever thought up this “dreamer” strategy was diabolically clever. “

Not so hard to figure, really. For a leftist or a globalist, they don’t have a Holy Bible, their god is POLITICS. For Obama & Hillary, Saul Alinsky is an ersatz god, as they both worshiped him.

For conservatives like us, politics is a necessary evil. We follow it because we are very concerned about our personal freedom, which is under attack like never before.


81 posted on 06/14/2017 8:18:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Tennessee Nana; AuntB; TADSLOS; no-to-illegals
Whenifhow : The original DACA program continues.( posted on ‎1‎/‎24‎/‎2017‎)

USCIS is still processing legal papers for illegal aliens. Every day that goes by without action another 40-50 illegal aliens are given work papers and permission to remain here.

The judge stopped DAPA and an expansion on DACA known as DACA+, but the original DACA goes on. President Trump must act to stop DACA immediately, at least stop accepting new applications even if they do not rescind papers already issued. *****

A few snips from an analysis of DACA.

<><> No, President Trump Does Not Need To Take Immediate Action on DACA – Here’s Why…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/24/no-president-trump-does-not-need-to-take-immediate-action-on-daca-heres-why/

<><> Yes, DACA will be removed – in a logical, methodical, prudent and sequential time frame. Know and understand the enemy.

<><> Now is not the time to act on this issue. If Trump were to take action now to remove DACA, not only would it provide the fuel to energize the opposition to his administration, he would also find few defenders within the Republican congress for immediacy in action.

<><> Nothing would please Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi more than to have the issues around the immigration gang-of-eight bill hijack the current approach of the Trump agenda. Schumer, Pelosi and crew would enjoy nothing more than pulling out the racist, nativist, bigot cards and the media would like nothing more than to showcase them.

82 posted on 06/14/2017 8:32:18 AM PDT by Liz ( Liberalism: standing on your head, then telling the world that it's upside down.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

OUR PEOPLE ELECTED TRUMP BECAUSE WE’RE SICK OF POLITICIANS REWARDING ILLEGALS.

THIS MAN NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IF HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND...


https://www.facebook.com/jthodgkinson/photos?lst=1449485734%3A1350932325%3A1497452188&source_ref=pb_friends_tl

SHOOTER’S FACEBOOK SITE - PICTURE OF BERNIE SANDERS AND THIS MESSAGE: “Democratic Socialism Explained in 3 Words: WE THE PEOPLE “
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83 posted on 06/14/2017 8:59:22 AM PDT by GOPJ ( CNN Assh*les got a rodeo clown fired for wearing an Obama mask... Evil hypocrites...)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; 9YearLurker; Liz; GOPJ; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne

I agree they are evil. My point was that the “dreamer” strategy is deep. 2 years from now, a few idiots will still be pushing the Eussia hoax, but most voters will get it. The dreamer idea won’t go away, even if all of the current illegals get amnesty. Even Trey Gowdy was proposing a dream act in 2013. I hope he got that out of his system.


84 posted on 06/14/2017 9:04:43 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Why didn't the FBI examine DNC servers?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Russia


85 posted on 06/14/2017 9:06:19 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Why didn't the FBI examine DNC servers?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; 9YearLurker; Liz
RE:”The dreamer idea won’t go away, even if all of the current illegals get amnesty. Even Trey Gowdy was proposing a dream act in 2013. I hope he got that out of his system.”

Again, I don't see how they sell that now.
What would (permanent) amnesty buy us?

They can improve background checks etc with the DACA system Obama that set up since it doesn't appear to be going anywhere (new ones are being approved for it). They can 'come out of the shadows' and live here and work now under DACA now. They can get drivers licenses and in-state tuition and even food stamps for their kids as well as the IITC.

Passing an amnesty bill now even without citizenship would be a step towards citizenship just as allowing gays to adopt was eventually used as an argument to force gay marriage on all the states.

86 posted on 06/14/2017 9:23:52 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Message to Trump : I am not tired of winning yet. Please more winning ! Get your crap together fast!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

That’s because Trump isn’t making the case for enforcing our immigration laws. The only thing he ever refers to is the purported decline in incoming illegals and his commitment to building a wall.

Same for all of his admin. Clearly that is a concerted strategy on their part and I think it stinks.

But, I mean, they are off base on a number of things—such as apparently being convinced by Ivanka to hire McCain’s wife to push refugee issues from the state department:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cindy-mccains-state-dept-post-a-done-deal-after-aggressive-trump-push

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/cindy-mccain-joins-trumps-state-department/

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/330599-ivanka-trump-allowing-refugees-has-to-be-part-of-the-discussion-but

I mean, really? Is that what we voted for?


87 posted on 06/14/2017 9:37:52 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The evil Obama is a malignant cancer eating away at our very freedoms. ....even as he globe-trots...... getting rich quick exploiting the presidency

Everybody knows how this dick-licker made his living on the streets of Chicago, then got into high office under false pretenses.

His game was to (A) increase his holdings by looting the US Treasury, and (b) plant time bombs in our govt that demolish one American freedom after another.


88 posted on 06/14/2017 9:49:05 AM PDT by Liz ( Liberalism: standing on your head, then telling the world that it's upside down.)
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That’s because Trump isn’t making the case for enforcing our immigration laws. The only thing he ever refers to is the purported decline in incoming illegals and his commitment to building a wall.

I don't know what Trump is thinking. Maybe he thinks it's not politically possible to keep his promises. How many people are swallowing the CNN/msnbc/nyt/wapo propaganda?

89 posted on 06/14/2017 10:05:03 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Why didn't the FBI examine DNC servers?)
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.....maybe he thinks it's not politically possible to keep his campaign promises....and that people are swallowing the CNN/msnbc/nyt/wapo propaganda?......

Granted Trump has a lot on his plate....but if that's the case, Trump should come out and say so.

90 posted on 06/14/2017 10:12:37 AM PDT by Liz ( Liberalism: standing on your head, then telling the world that it's upside down.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
.....maybe he thinks it's not politically possible to keep his campaign promises....and that people are swallowing the CNN/msnbc/nyt/wapo propaganda?......

Granted Trump has a lot on his plate....but if that's the case, Trump should come out and say so.

91 posted on 06/14/2017 10:15:30 AM PDT by Liz ( Liberalism: standing on your head, then telling the world that it's upside down.)
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To: sickoflibs; 9YearLurker; Liz; stephenjohnbanker
Passing an amnesty bill now even without citizenship would be a step towards citizenship just as allowing gays to adopt was eventually used as an argument to force gay marriage on all the states.

You are absolutely right but that is what its proponents want, and we can't be sure that GOP characters are on our side. My point is the dreamer push is a long term threat against our republic.

92 posted on 06/14/2017 10:16:11 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Why didn't the FBI examine DNC servers?)
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To: Liz

I can only guess what Trump is thinking.


93 posted on 06/14/2017 10:18:44 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Why didn't the FBI examine DNC servers?)
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To: Liz

It clearly has not been a priority for Trump, while squashing it has been a priority for Jivanka and the Democrats (e.g., Cohn) and neocon/GOPe (e.g., McMaster, Tillerson, Priebus, Powell) that Jivanka have brought into the administration.

The swamp is winning.


94 posted on 06/14/2017 10:21:30 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cubs Fan
Homeland Security secretary suggests amnesty for Dreamers

Ummmm no.

95 posted on 06/14/2017 10:23:18 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; 9YearLurker; Liz; GOPJ; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne

I never had any faith in Gowdy, as his batting average is 000.


96 posted on 06/15/2017 8:13:39 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I haven’t followed him that closely.

His name comes up from time to time, but for some reason the information never sticks with this guy.


97 posted on 06/15/2017 8:16:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fourth estate? Ha! Our media has become the KCOTUS, the Kangaroo Court of the United States.)
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