Why is the FBI involved in the Seth Rich Murder investigation? [unusual bullet ballistics]

CrowdSource The Truth youtube ^ | May 28, 2017 | Jason Goodman

[Future Useless Eater]

direct link to video starting at 4:07....

TRANSCRIPT -
Jason Goodman:
And now we've just gotten another piece of information, from an anonymous source that we do... well, its not anonymous, but we can't reveal the source...

George Webb: Its better than anonymous

Goodman: Better than anonymous, We have a lot of confidence in this source, saying... telling us about the ballistics. Something that hasn't been made public before this second.

It wasn't a "22". and it wasn't a cheap bullet that's commonly used by regular street criminals it was some kind of special bullet that this person attributed to the FBI.

Now we haven't seen it. This is just human testimony so it needs to be taken with that, but this is a highly credible source.

Webb: But it is verifiable with an FBI document that says here is the bullet we extracted from his lobe, the third lobe of his liver, that bullet is going to be in Seth Rich, as forensic evidence, and we're going to be able to verify it.

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Webb: The forensic evidence is all that should be considered at this point, because thats all that can be trusted at this point. We've had so many inconsistencies...

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I think Jason underplayed how reliable the source is for the FBI bullet, but we'll leave it at that.

[Magnum44]

“My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.”

Well that sounds like a reliable source.

[monocle]

Solve the murder first and foremost only then look into the motive issue.

[GoldenPup]

Lotta that kind of crap going around these days...particularly in DC.

[ReaganGeneration2]

Do you have a link to that story?

[Tucker39]

I haven’t been a shooter for years, though still packing, “just in case”. But I understand there are now specially designed slugs that fragment themselves while passing through the target’s body. So nothing traceable can be found at autopsy. No rifling. No nuttin’.

[bert]

Diamond and Silk have better production values than these two

[dp0622]

Yeah and some of the posts are hysterical :)

If this was the first thread I ever read her, I would think it was a conspiracy nut website. :)

I DO think it is VERY possible Rich was killed due to his taking of files, but believing that EVERY nurse and doctor who aided him backed off and let him die is hysterical.

I also read that it was a liver shot. Not so easy to survive those.

[BwanaNdege]

all were killed except a steward...she was alive and talking coherently however, on the way to the hospital she died

IIRC, she was alive 3.5 hours AFTER the crash, but was DOA at the hospital from a cut to the femoral artery. Supposedly a cut to the femoral artery will cause one to 'bleed out' in about 3 to 4 minutes. There is no way she could have received that cut in the crash and lived hours after. No way any competent medic would have missed a 'minor' cut to a femoral artery. ("Stop the bleeding, clear the airway, prevent shock")

[marktwain]

I haven’t been a shooter for years, though still packing, “just in case”. But I understand there are now specially designed slugs that fragment themselves while passing through the target’s body. So nothing traceable can be found at autopsy. No rifling. No nuttin’.

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Yes. It is called nearly all shotgun ammunition.

[Whenifhow]

PING!!!!

Article and comments, esp #2 and link at post 7

It wasn’t a “22”. and it wasn’t a cheap bullet that’s commonly used by regular street criminals it was some kind of special bullet that this person attributed to the FBI.

.... it is verifiable with an FBI document that says here is the bullet we extracted from his lobe, the third lobe of his liver, that bullet is going to be in Seth Rich, as forensic evidence, and we’re going to be able to verify it.

Post 7 link
How convenient that an FBI agent’s vehicle was burglarized just before Rich was shot and in the same area too.

Thanks, Future Useless Eater

[marktwain]

EVERY nurse and doctor who aided him backed off and let him die is hysterical.

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Yes, that would be very unlikely. But one agent or other person in the hospital to finish him off... especially if the police in D.C. were compromised...

Not completely unbelievable.

[Jim Noble]

Heads up:

First, full disclosure: My initial training was in trauma surgery at Kings County Hospital in Brooklyn in the early crack cocaine war era. I saw many things most people don’t know about.

Second: I have no doubt that IF Seth Rich was the leaker, the Clinton team would have had him killed without a second thought.

But, and third: A lot of these medical “facts” being bandied about are nonsense, and may very well be deliberate disinformation to make people lose interest in the original, true propositions, which are, “He was the leaker, and his killing was not a robbery (unless he was carrying thumb drives or such).

He was shot in the liver at close range with a high-velocity hollow point projectile (if the source is to be believed). After the entry of the portal vein and the hepatic artery into the liver, they ramify into a sponge-like maze of small blood vessels, most too small to repair as one repairs a torn artery or vein.

It is quite common for a person shot in the liver to “look fine” until they go into shock from hidden blood loss. Small entry wound, no exit wound, looks good, what’s the problem? Once that happens, it’s also quite common for them to die, often on the operating table if they get that far with four blood pumps running and unable to keep up. The more the surgeon cuts, the worse it gets, sometimes.

He was shot at around 0420 and his death certificate says he was pronounced at 0557. Normally, efforts to reverse the cardiac arrest from exsanguination would take no less than 20 minutes, so he died in just a bit more than an hour. This is quite normal, happens every day in Afghanistan and Chicago.

And the “doctor ordered off the case” story, in all its forms except one, is an obvious lie. Since the 1990s, our wise guardians have put rules in place limiting the hours that surgery residents can work, such that they now work shifts of defined length. In my opinion, this has been an incredibly foolish mistake, but YMMV on it and I’m not here to discuss that issue.

The sanctions for programs that violate the “resident hours” rules are severe, as are all the sanctions laid down by our wise guardians. IF the “doctor ordered off the case” was a surgery resident whose shift ended at 0600, and if he were prepping for this big trauma case at 0540, let’s say, he would have been told to take off his gloves, get dressed, and to go home. That, sadly, is also quite normal now.

The part that he was sent away so his chiefs could kill Seth Rich unobserved? No one who has ever worked in a hospital believes that, and for good reason. We are trained to follow orders, and when life hangs in the balance, to do so instantly. But we are also trained not to follow what I always call the “shoot patient at 10 am” order, and how to tell the difference.

There is no administrator, no service chief, no attending, no chief resident, no fourth, third, or second year, no OR director - there is nobody, in any hospital, anywhere in the US, who could have ordered the murder, by direct act or omission, of Seth Rich and had that order carried out.

That sounds like something a Clinton would make up.

[WildHighlander57]

“There were 2 witnesses to the hit, both were murdered the very next day. ...”

Have you got a link to that story?

[TnTnTn]

‘Why is the FBI involved’? -to suppress information and let murderers and the demonrats walk-as always......Comey??? Where are you?

[snoringbear]

“Another day, another hollow rumor coming from a video blog presented by the poster and vouched for by another.”

Yeah, for sure. Besides, you have to assume that the FBI, or any special op’s, operator would not be so stupid as to use a highly identifiable round such as this....

[litehaus]

“but I think dude committed Arkancide.”

(Marcy) PARKERIZED would not do ?

[bgill]

Don’t trust Mueller. He ignored warnings from Russia, Saudi Arabia and England about the Boston Bombers and then protected their CIA connected uncle and the oldest’s wife’s family.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev came to the attention of the FBI on at least two occasions prior to a Russian government warning in March 2011 that said he appeared to be radicalizing, FBI Director Robert Mueller said in Congressional testimony.
The earlier references have led some lawmakers to question whether the FBI acted too quickly in closing an assessment of Tsarnaev’s potential ties to terrorism done in response to the Russian request. In a little-noticed exchange before the House Judiciary Committee, Mueller acknowledged that the Russian alert was not the first time the elder Tsarnaev brother crossed the FBI’s radar. “His name had come up in two other cases,” Mueller said in response to questions from Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa). “Those two other cases, the individuals had their cases closed. So, he was one or two person [sic] away.” When King asked Mueller if it was reasonable to say that the Russian letter “refocused” the FBI on Tsarnaev, Mueller replied, “Absolutely.”

Uncle Ruslan Zaindi Tsarni (changed spelling of last name at some point), of Tokmak, Kyrgyzstan, first came to US. Early 1990s, Ruslan marries Samantha Ankara Fuller, daughter of Graham E. and Prudence Fuller. Ruslan graduated from Duke Law School in 1998. Samantha a graduate student in NC. Beginning in the early 1990s, Tsarni worked as a “consultant” for USAID, which is known to be frequently used as a cover for CIA operatives. They were divorced by 2004. She currently lives abroad and is director of several companies involved in strategies to increase energy production from clean-burning and renewable resources. Ruslan is a well-connected oil executive who at one point worked for a Halliburton shell company used as a front to obtain oil contracts from the Kazakh State. He worked for other Halliburton-connected companies, Nelson Resources and Golden Eagle Partners, and in 2005 was VP, Business Development and Corporate Secretary of Big Sky Energy, a Halliburton subsidiary.
*Graham Fuller spent 20 years as operations officer in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Hong Kong. In 1982 Fuller was appointed the National Intelligence Officer for Near East and South Asia at the CIA, and in 1986, under Ronald Reagan, he became the Vice-Chairman of the National Intelligence Council, with overall responsibility for national level strategic forecasting. Graham Fuller was listed as one of the American Deep State rogues on Sibel Edmonds’ State Secrets Privilege Gallery. Edmonds explained it featured subjects of FBI investigations she became aware of during her time as an FBI translator. Criminal activities were being protected by claims of State Secrets, she asserted.

Uncle Ruslan’s ex-wife is Samantha Ankara Fuller, daughter of high ranking CIA officer Graham Fuller who had many years of dealings with middle east. Amazon.com shows author Fuller is living in Vancouver, Canada and many writings on ROP.

Uncle Ruslan, 39, gave a witness statement to the High Court in London that he worked in various capacities with a closely knit network of associates led by Nazarbayev’s son-in-law from 2000 to 2008 that regularly engaged in fraudulent business practices and that Kazakhstan President Nursultan Nazarbayev had overseen the theft of state assets worth billions of dollars.

The older brother’s wife, Katherine “Katie” Osborn Russell’s grandfather Russell was connected to the CIA and was a founding member of Yale’s Skull and Bones which is funded by the Russell Trust Assoc.

[Mark17]

(Marcy) PARKERIZED would not do ?

Maybe they just didn't have the time to move the body there.

[stockpirate]

It was posted here on FR in a thread.

But is easy to find, there was a double murder the very next day in DC and one of the victims was also a DNC staffer.

[MCF]

Glaser Safety slugs is one such product and has been around for decades.