Skip to comments.Trump stirs pot with talk of blowing up Senate rules
Posted on 05/03/2017 11:55:57 AM PDT by ColdOne
As a gridlocked Congress threatens to stall the legislative promises that catapulted him to office, President Trump has raised hackles on the Hill by suggesting longstanding Senate rules simply be scrapped to cripple Democratic opposition.
Trump has twice in the past week railed against archaic Senate procedures first in an interview with Fox News and then again on Twitter seeming to suggest the legislative filibuster be ended to take advantage of Republicans control of Congress.
And maybe at some point we're going to have to take those rules on, because, for the good of the nation, things are going to have to be different, Trump said on The First 100 Days on Friday. You can't go through a process like this. It's not fair. It forces you to make bad decisions. I mean, you're really forced into doing things that you would normally not do except for these archaic rules.
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All those “rules” do is allow Senators to avoid doing the work.
The “rules” give each Senator time to do their real job: Fund Raising!
Stir the Pot Mr President. Reminds me of the telegram Lincoln sent to Grant on April 7, 1865: Gen. Sheridan says If the thing is pressed I think that Lee will surrender. Let the thing be pressed. A. LINCOLN.
Mr Trump, let the thing be pressed!
If they’re going to keep the filibuster, then require that they do it the old fashioned way: Keep talking until they drop.
How long standing?
I heard somewhere only since the early 90s. Is that correct?
If Republicans don’t do it and Democrats block the Trump agenda, they’ll get back in and promise they won’t hesitate to make it 51.
So that punk McConnel took it off the table today. What a jerk if even if you aren’t willing to do it why announce it and lose any leverage the possibility gives you
The Senate can exalt the country or the Senate can exalt Senate rules.
That bears repeating. If they are indeed able to block Trump, they will _instantly_ change the rules to their benefit just as soon as they can.
Don't fall for it President Trump. Shut it down.
Forget about the filibuster. There aren't even 51 votes in the U.S. Senate to get 10% of Trump's agenda passed.
Article V: The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate [emphasis added].
So noting that us voters own the Senate through the 17th Amendment (or does the Senate own us voters though that amendment?), since the "nonlinear 60 vote supermajority is not an express constitutional requirement, I dont see where it is constitutional under Article V.
Corrections, insights welcome.
Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!
Remember in November 18 !
Since Trump entered the 16 presidential race too late for patriots to make sure that there were state sovereignty-respecting candidates on the primary ballots, patriots need make sure that such candidates are on the 18 primary ballots so that they can be elected to support Trump in draining the unconstitutionally big federal government swamp.
Such a Congress will also be able to finish draining the swamp with respect to getting the remaining state sovereignty-ignoring, activist Supreme Court justices off of the bench.
In fact, if Justice Gorsuch turns out to be a liberal Trojan Horse then we will need 67 patriot senators to remove a House-impeached Gorsuch from office.
Noting that the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire in February 18, patriots need to challenge candidates for federal office in the following way.
While I Googled the primary information above concerning Iowa and New Hampshire, FReeper iowamark brought to my attention that the February primaries for these states apply only to presidential election years. And after doing some more scratching, since primary dates for most states for 2018 elections probably havent been uploaded at this time (March 14, 2017), FReepers will need to find out primary dates from sources and / or websites in their own states.
Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitutions Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal governments powers.
Patriots also need to find candidates that are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal governments limited powers listed below.
Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States. Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphasis added]. Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added]. United States v. Butler, 1936.
Trump should just warn them that starting Sept 1 he will veto anything related to keeping the government open until the rules are changed.
Plus the list of GOPe Senators adds at least 5 votes to the dems.
What if they have the votes to overturn that veto?
Trump said that, also, during the interview.
You are correct. Trump needs to point this out and destroy people like McCain & Graham. The two bedwetters are only staying in this to make money and decimate Trump.
Make it known that those become primary targets aided by Trump at rallies in their states.
words are cheap and DC is full of them
President Trump is right. The 60 rule makes no sense and should be returned to the majority, 51. The Senate is the no nothing organization and will never do what is right for America again.
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