Posted on 04/29/2017 11:51:50 AM PDT by davikkm
...”All US forces should be withdrawn from Korea. There is no reason to have them there other than globalist/imperialist reasons”....
Say what?????...The USA is there by S. Korea’s invitation....and you do know why that is do you not?
Exactly. Trump is on exactly the right path. Get everyone to make statements condemning the DPRK’s missile and nuclear testings and as many countries as possible to impose sanctions, under the grounds of getting the DPRK to admit that it’s willing to consider disarming, wherein they can go to the negotiating table. If the DPRK refuses to admit being willing to disarm, or refuses to reach a disarmament deal in negotiations, then the US can attack with some degree of “we tried everything we could” cover. Meanwhile, the US can move that time to continue to move more assets into the theater.
Three carrier groups en route. One mistral (for whatever that’s worth... but more planes is more planes). Heavy augmentation of US ground forces. All of the ROK forces. Our troops will have what they need to do this effectively, to keep safe, quickly push the DPRK out of range of the south and away from their tunnels, and intercept the ballistic threat and coastal threats. The opening wave will be historic in scale - attacks across the DPRK from a huge number of assets all arriving simultaneously.
Thank God that Trump is president. Can you imagine if Clinton had been in charge of seeing us through this?
Uhm, after careful consideration my response to this is “no.”
I’m not much for blog pimps, either.
The US can just “move out of S. Korea” as soon as the DPRK is no more. Win, win all around. All of those US forces get replaced with just a token force. THAAD leaves. US projection of influence in the east switches back to naval power (which the expenditure that had been tied up in the ROK gets redirected into augmenting).
This is such a bad deal that it was not seriously proposed. And it’s being hyped by this sh!tty blog.
It’s an opening position to try to get talks in place, but it does NOTHING to address core US interests.
And make no mistake, the US has strategic, vital interests at stake. Sufficient to fight a nuclear war over.
Our strategic interests are:
1. Complete dismantling of the NORK Nuclear, Bacterial and Chemical weapons programs. Verified by US and Japanese inspectors in the manner they see fit. Because these programs are a direct and imminent threat to the below interests AND, soon, the US mainland.
2. Protection for our treaty allies in the North Pacific. The preservation of their capital stock and markets. Japan and South Korea must remain the US sphere of influence.
3. Protection of the sea lines of communication between allies in the North Pacific and the US mainland.
Without these three core strategic interests being satisfactorily addressed, there is absolutely nothing to talk about.
Well show me how DPRK is going to be no more????? Do you think that Russia or China is just going to stand by and let the US do what they want in N.Korea?.... because that’s just not going to happen. .....Neither is going to let N.Korea go anywhere but into their own hands.....or keep it as is....they much prefer Kim stay in power as neither country gives a hoot about Kim or the people....it’s all a “land” issue for them.
This is why Trump and Tillerson keep saying they have no interest in regime change.......they know to even consider this will,and is now causing, China and Russia to defend Kim....
Of course should we leave S. Korea entire....it would only be short order before China and Russia grabs S. Korea.
“Well show me how DPRK is going to be no more????? Do you think that Russia or China is just going to stand by and let the US do what they want in N.Korea?”
No, there will be a deal in advance, at least with China. Seems like there may already be one. Russia may try to cause havoc by supplying more modern air defense systems, but we saw how well Russia-supplied air defenses worked in Syria. And Russia already has enough on their plate right now (Donbas, Syria), which the US can ramp up at will.
Trouble is we’re not going to get N.Korea to disarm......at Best China and Russia will get Kim to agree to ‘refrain’ from advancing their nuclear programs ...then ol Kim will sit down and make demands just as before...and the nation leaders will continue to appease him til the next time....round and round we go..AGAIN!
The only other option is to take out the facilities we know about....and hope that the China and Russian troops and military on Kims borders will stand back while we do so....and we have to have South Korea’s ok to do that...
(Note: The fly in the ointment could also be if S. Korea saw opportunity then to invade with their troops...while we are bombing the facilities. If that happens there will be war...Russia and China will not stand back for that at all.)
....” there will be a deal in advance, at least with China”....
Ok what sort of deal would you see? Because China is not going to forfeit N.Korea retaining it’s buffer zone. ..and Kims not going to disarm. So how does your way work out?
It’s much simpler than that: the US leaves. All but a token force. If there is no DPRK there’s no need for US forces in Korea, no need for THAAD, no need for any of it. A dream come true to China. China also loses the DPRK’s drug smuggling and weapons smuggling, the latter being a threat because they can end up with Uyghur militants.
Meanwhile, the US reallocates the freed-up resources toward improved naval power which can be assigned wherever they’re needed rather than being stuck in one location. A dream come true to the US, beyond that of getting rid of the DPRK threat.
Deals can be struck. And if there’s anyone to do it, it’s the man in the White House right now.
Theres no deal, do not trust China
Now they say China is going to drop hong kongs autonomy because of demonstrations against 1 china rule, we know they want to take over Taiwan & have built a military base near the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands that Japan also claims and administers…
A lot of people are bored and have no experience with what war is really like.
When North Korea disbands its nuclear program the answer is still not no, it is hell no. North Korea started the orginal war when they went South over the 38th parallel. They pushed us back into the Pusan perimeter and damn near killed all the defenders.
MacArthur wanted to go nuclear. We should have. The Soviet Union had the bomb for only one year and their nuclear arsenal was minuscule. They were no threat. Our nuclear arsenal was robust. If the Soviet Union had of used their small nuclear force it would have insured their total destruction. The vast majority of the lives lost in Korea should be laid at the grave of President Truman. He was timid and a fool.
I also condemn President Lyndon B Johnson. The North Koreans took our spy ship the Pueblo in international waters. That was an act of war. At that time we should have went to war with North Korea and not conventional. Nuke them and be done with it. The Soviet Union at this time was quite capable of destroying the United States as we could do to them. Brezhnev was not an idiot. He would have not went to war with us over North Korea. He nor we wished the destruction of our nations.
Each and ever major conflict since WWII has ended badly for the United States. It has ended badly because of the timidity of our executives both Republican and Democrat.
We must draw red lines that will not be crossed if it is in the vital national intrests of the United States. If the red line is crossed we must use our full forces to eliminate the threat. These red lines must be drawn very carefully.
When North Korea disbands its nuclear program the answer is still not no, it is hell no. North Korea started the orginal war when they went South over the 38th parallel. They pushed us back into the Pusan perimeter and damn near killed all the defenders.
MacArthur wanted to go nuclear. We should have. The Soviet Union had the bomb for only one year and their nuclear arsenal was minuscule. They were no threat. Our nuclear arsenal was robust. If the Soviet Union had of used their small nuclear force it would have insured their total destruction. The vast majority of the lives lost in Korea should be laid at the grave of President Truman. He was timid and a fool.
I also condemn President Lyndon B Johnson. The North Koreans took our spy ship the Pueblo in international waters. That was an act of war. At that time we should have went to war with North Korea and not conventional. Nuke them and be done with it. The Soviet Union at this time was quite capable of destroying the United States as we could do to them. Brezhnev was not an idiot. He would have not went to war with us over North Korea. He nor we wished the destruction of our nations.
Each and ever major conflict since WWII has ended badly for the United States. It has ended badly because of the timidity of our executives both Republican and Democrat.
We must draw red lines that will not be crossed if it is in the vital national intrests of the United States. If the red line is crossed we must use our full forces to eliminate the threat. These red lines must be drawn very carefully.
Likely there isn’t any deal yet...but there’s going to be something one way or the other...it cannot be sustained as is.
NK is a pseudo rogue nation. There is nothing rogue about this Sino-Russian colony
Any guesses why we’ve had peace there for at least six decades?
Getting a “stable” guy in charge of North Korea is to everyone’s advantage at this point.
We’re not asking to have a U.S. stooge in control.
We just want someone who isn’t fixated on nuclear strikes on the U.S. and it’s allies.
China has a lot riding on this. It’s trade with the U.S. is vital to it.
...”Getting a “stable” guy in charge of North Korea is to everyone’s advantage at this point....We’re not asking to have a U.S. stooge in control.”...
Of course...and that’s possible. But there is Russia and China and I’m not convinced yet they’re on board....I can see they’re already “negotiating” from their own perspectives of course....and I think Trump understands this.. and yes China is in a tough position.....
However....it’s only been a few weeks since China realized Trump means business....it’s going to take time for them to even orchestrate their plan even if they would remove Kim one way or another.
I’ve even considered China just might physically remove Kim and a few of his cabinet members..wisk them off someplace unknown...and claim they were killed by Kims own staff. The N.Koreans know there’s been fractions in his cabinet.
So whatever....the ball is in China’s hand’s and we better hope they don’t drop it..on Trumps toes!
That was a pretty sharply worded article in the Chinese newspaper.
If I were Kim, I’d be wondering what happened to the folks who used to have my back.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump told China, “Look folks, we don’t want North Korea. We don’t want to attack. We just aren’t going to allow a guy like Kim be able to blackmail us and you too.
Maybe that made sense.
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