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Trump Winery in Virginia seeks more foreign workers
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | March 20, 2017

Posted on 03/20/2017 3:53:23 PM PDT by artichokegrower

As President Donald Trump touts job creation for Americans as a top priority, his son's Virginia winery is seeking permission to hire foreign workers to cultivate its grapes.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: agriculture; helpwanted; trumpfamily; virginia; winery
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False news story by an ignorant reporter. A lot of agricultural operations are using H2-A visa labor. Americans with the existing welfare system aren't going to come out to the farm and work. H2-A visa holders are single men, they don't bring their families, are provided food and shelter, and work for a set period of time and then have to return home.
1 posted on 03/20/2017 3:53:23 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

....and what are the labor arrangements at the Pelosi Winery in the Napa Valley?

Are all of the workers at the Napa Winery legally documented?


2 posted on 03/20/2017 3:55:14 PM PDT by ptsal
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To: artichokegrower

I disagree. They aren’t paying enough to get American applicants.

The only good thing I can say about it is they are hiring legally and only 29 people.


3 posted on 03/20/2017 3:59:20 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: ptsal

Isn’t here an ICE hotline just for these questions? ;)


4 posted on 03/20/2017 3:59:46 PM PDT by max americana (For the 9th time FIRED LIBERALS from our company at this election, and every election since 2008)
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To: Moonman62
I disagree. They aren’t paying enough to get American applicants.

Get rid of welfare and that will change.

5 posted on 03/20/2017 4:01:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Moonman62

H2-A labor pencils out to $20 per hour. I’m paying tractor drivers $26 per hour, plus safety bonus, plus acre bonus, plus end of year bonus, plus 100% medical insurance for employee with 50% for dependents, plus paid sick leave. I think you folks need to pay more for your vegetables.


6 posted on 03/20/2017 4:03:02 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower
Americans with the existing welfare system aren't going to come out to the farm and work.

What you mean is that they won't come out to the farm and work for $10.72 an hour. Answer is to pay more.

7 posted on 03/20/2017 4:03:23 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Moonman62

That’s a huge factor. They pay a livable wage and they’ll get employees. What they’re paying illegals are chump change, like wages from the 1990s. This has been the problem all along with thousands of unscrupulous greedy employers as the government stood by winking and nodding as they played right into their new world order globalist plans.


8 posted on 03/20/2017 4:04:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Moonman62

Agreed. Apparently the market can take a leap if it means raising wages to attract American workers.


9 posted on 03/20/2017 4:05:21 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: artichokegrower

My dad was not too proud to work in the fields. Was grateful to get the work. In fact, our entire family including grandma, aunt, uncle, cousins, mom, dad and us kids often turned out to pick cotton, cut grapes etc. Sheila’s dad worked full time tending orchards his entire life.

Maybe the winery needs to offer a little more in wages.


10 posted on 03/20/2017 4:06:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: dfwgator

Agreed. Let’s go back to the days when only the widowed or disabled or other such persons in clearly understandable need were permitted to get public assistance. In my country, it has only been since the mid 1960s that able bodied people were permitted to get welfare.


11 posted on 03/20/2017 4:07:00 PM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: artichokegrower

No it does not. Pencil in taxes and that 20 per hour is what?


12 posted on 03/20/2017 4:07:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: artichokegrower

Amen. We should be proud to purchase American grown quality produce.


13 posted on 03/20/2017 4:08:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: artichokegrower
Just stompin' the grapes Americans won't stomp.


14 posted on 03/20/2017 4:09:21 PM PDT by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen)
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To: OttawaFreeper
it has only been since the mid 1960s that able bodied people were permitted to get welfare.

Another legacy of Trudeau the First.

15 posted on 03/20/2017 4:09:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: artichokegrower
There is a big difference between illegal border jumpers and legal immigrant residents seeking jobs rather than benefits.


16 posted on 03/20/2017 4:10:17 PM PDT by Baynative ( Someone's going to have to pay for these carbon emissions, so it might as well be you.)
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To: dragnet2

Don’t pay FICA to H2-A. The $20 per hour includes wages plus transportation plus room and board.


17 posted on 03/20/2017 4:11:14 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

This reporter should investigate the foreign workers at Nancy Pelosi’s vineyards.


18 posted on 03/20/2017 4:16:46 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: artichokegrower

so how much an hour for labor only ?


19 posted on 03/20/2017 4:17:46 PM PDT by stylin19a (Terrorists - "just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there")
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To: artichokegrower

I think we need to grow our own.


20 posted on 03/20/2017 4:19:41 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: artichokegrower
The price of food is most interesting. I saw what appears to be a woman with small 3 kids small roll up to the supermarket cashier with a full cart. Her bill was something like $175.00. For a cart of food? It appeared to be the normal stuff some woman would buy for the family. I joked to her that she has some hungry kids...She said it'll would be gone in less than a week. The lines were huge and registers were smoking taking in all the cash, and this store is 24 hours open. 1 store.

So it begs the questioning, they're raking in huge amounts of cash for food, so why can't these growers simply pay a livable wage to legitimate citizens?

21 posted on 03/20/2017 4:21:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: max americana

I’d bet lunch that Nancy’s hubby hires a custom farming outfit to do the field work.

Nothing like putting a little “legal” distance between the property owner and the hired labor.


22 posted on 03/20/2017 4:21:25 PM PDT by ptsal
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To: stylin19a

$12.57 per hour tax free.


23 posted on 03/20/2017 4:21:53 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower
Foreign migrant workers have been a big part of American agriculture for a long time.

Unless you want a temporary job and live like a Gypsy you will not take these jobs.

In these kinds of jobs, I absolutely believe it is not possible to employ Americans on any kind of meaningful basis.

24 posted on 03/20/2017 4:22:10 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: artichokegrower

That’s right...wow...


25 posted on 03/20/2017 4:22:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: AmusedBystander

Probably half the jobs in America are now part time.


26 posted on 03/20/2017 4:24:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: artichokegrower

Exactly. H2As have been used for decades.


27 posted on 03/20/2017 4:24:28 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Flinging poo is not a valid argument)
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To: dragnet2

My senior tractor driver is making $69,090.90 this year. Plus full medical plus, an HSA plus a 401K. How you doing?


28 posted on 03/20/2017 4:25:39 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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I think you folks need to pay more for your vegetables.

...

Why?


29 posted on 03/20/2017 4:25:49 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: dragnet2
Probably half the jobs in America are now part time.

True, but these jobs are temporary and not part time. Big difference.

30 posted on 03/20/2017 4:26:29 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: artichokegrower

Was delighted to see a bottle of Trump wine in the Roanoke Krogers the other other day, and to learn the grapes are harvested right here near the GW Forest. (Visiting family in VA).
Was not delighted with the $24 price, on sale from $26.
Now to learn they’re paying cheap foreign labor wages?
Why so ‘spensive?


31 posted on 03/20/2017 4:28:37 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: artichokegrower
Americans with the existing welfare system aren't going to come out to the farm and work.

That would depend on the wages being offered wouldn't it?

There is no justification to hire foreigners to do labor in the USA with 100 million out of the work force. this is corruption and it needs to stop.

32 posted on 03/20/2017 4:29:02 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: artichokegrower

I’m ok with paying more for back-to-basics produce, flour, etc., especially if that means decent jobs for Americans. I know that the claims of lettuce going to five bucks a head and staying there are lies.


33 posted on 03/20/2017 4:29:12 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: artichokegrower

You wouldn’t hire an American even if one wanted a job. You wouldn’t go against the Mexican mafia. I hope you choke on your artichokes.


34 posted on 03/20/2017 4:30:53 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dragnet2

Please. There’s two, maybe three levels between the field and the grocery cart. And a lot of it is union labor. In California, threats of strikes at Safeway used to be a regular thing.

Without the union labor, vegetables are 1/3 or 1/2 less at Chinese and Indian grocery stores.


35 posted on 03/20/2017 4:32:36 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Jim Robinson

These vineyard in Virginia don’t even advertise for workers. They got their Cheap Labor Express scheme and they are sticking to it.


36 posted on 03/20/2017 4:32:47 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dfwgator

The Cheap Labor Express depends on welfare to hold wages down. The tax payer is subsidizing Mr. Growers “cheap” labor.


37 posted on 03/20/2017 4:34:56 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I think we all need to know what the costs of running a farm are, including legitimate labor costs. Pricing for farm products should be in line with what it costs to produce the product for sale. I’m sure there are processing and marketing costs too. All costs of a product should be reflected in price paid by the consumer.


38 posted on 03/20/2017 4:35:43 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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In these kinds of jobs, I absolutely believe it is not possible to employ Americans on any kind of meaningful basis. ,Oh Bull Sh!t. Central Va is full of American colleges and high schools with kids willing to work for $20.00/hr.
39 posted on 03/20/2017 4:38:08 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Why so ‘spensive?

You're paying for the Trump name.

40 posted on 03/20/2017 4:38:37 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: artichokegrower

Is he Mexican?


41 posted on 03/20/2017 4:38:57 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I’ve got two USMC vets working for me. Anyhow have you ever signed the front of a paycheck? Do you have any idea what your’re talking about?


42 posted on 03/20/2017 4:39:00 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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The point of this thread is illegals and H-2 temp visa workers and not full time workers. You are crossing signals.

Those USMC guys are they ethnic Mexican/latino?

43 posted on 03/20/2017 4:41:43 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Oh Bull Sh!t. Central Va is full of American colleges and high schools with kids willing to work for $20.00/hr.

They are willing to get paid $20, but work? Not so much.

You have obviously never been exposed to professional farm laborers.

Getting in these crops require hard work in very short periods of time at a price that makes economic sense.

44 posted on 03/20/2017 4:47:43 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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Oh Bull Sh!t. $20.00/hr is fine. They don't want to hire Americans and go against the Mexican Mafia.

The Anti American bigots on this thread can KMA.

45 posted on 03/20/2017 4:49:52 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Organic Panic

It doesn’t matter if other employers legally hire them. The media will act as if the Trumps are the only one’s hire those folks and imply Trump lied about not wanting to hire foreigners.

Maybe it’s time to reform our prison system and use low risk inmates for those willing to work the fields for reduced sentences. More automation maybe?


46 posted on 03/20/2017 4:51:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dfwgator

That actually came from PET’s immediate predecessor as Prime Minister, Lester Pearson. The Canada Assistance Plan Act of 1966 basically centralized social welfare policy (a year earlier, federal Medicare or socialized medicine was created). Under the Act, the federal government imposed it’s own standards for welfare policy on the provinces (for example, British Columbia could no longer impose residency requirements for recipients and Quebec’s long standing local traditions on social welfare were also imposed on). Most significantly, the Act eliminated the specific types of persons who could collect public assistance (most jurisdictions only allowed the blind, the widowed, abandoned mothers, etc to collect) and that welfare was made that much more generous (in many cases it just used to be coupons for food and clothing).

This legislation had many unfortunate consequences. The separatist Parti Quebecois was created in 1968 and that undoubtedly was partly in reaction to the big intrusions on social policy, which had of course been the domain of the provinces (especially Quebec) since Confederation in 1867. It has also been said that making welfare far more easier to get had that sort of an adverse impact on families when coupled with the divorce laws (specifically the creation of no fault divorce) being made more permissive and this was authored by Trudeau the First when he was our Justice Minister in 1967.


47 posted on 03/20/2017 4:53:48 PM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: dragnet2

These heroes of agriculture don’t even try to get locals to work for them. It’s a racket. I live 5 miles from a huge vineyard in VA and they never advertise for workers and somehow it all gets picked.


48 posted on 03/20/2017 4:54:36 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Central Va is full of American colleges and high schools with kids willing to work for $20.00/hr.

I wasn't aware that the University of Virginia and your local high schools would let their students skip class for 2-3 weeks to pick fruit for 80 hours a week.

49 posted on 03/20/2017 4:55:09 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Moonman62

50% of RNs in NC make 58k or less per year many with Bachelor Degrees. Do you really think someone who tends grapes should earn within about 7 dollars an hour of an RN?


50 posted on 03/20/2017 4:55:37 PM PDT by nclaurel
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