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US will 'not repeat' claims GCHQ wiretapped Donald Trump
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Posted on 03/17/2017 5:30:05 AM PDT by UKrepublican

The US has agreed not to repeat claims the UK's communications intelligence agency wiretapped Donald Trump in the weeks after he won the US election.

GCHQ denied allegations made by the White House that it spied on Mr Trump as president-elect.

No 10 has been assured the allegations would not be repeated, a spokesman for Prime Minister Theresa May said.

He said it had been made clear to US authorities the claims were "ridiculous and should have been ignored".

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: gchq; trump; uk; ukspyagency; us; wiretaps
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1 posted on 03/17/2017 5:30:06 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican

Sounds like some people are freaking out because the truth is coming into the light.


2 posted on 03/17/2017 5:33:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: UKrepublican

Are they telling us the front page NY Times report on Inauguration day (Jan 20, 2017) was FAKE NEWS?


3 posted on 03/17/2017 5:34:06 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("The political class is a bureaucracy designed to perpetuate itself" Rush Limbaugh)
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To: UKrepublican

The lady doth protest too much, methinks...


4 posted on 03/17/2017 5:36:26 AM PDT by nhwingut (Trump Pence 16 - Blow Up DC)
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To: UKrepublican

Trump never said anything about the UK wiretapping him or his people.

What the heck is this about?


5 posted on 03/17/2017 5:36:38 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: UKrepublican

sounds like they want to put the cat back in the bag and they think it is possible somehow. Maybe it is similar to having a dirty secret between the UK and US governments which is already out in everything but the admission. It is embarassing to the UK that the UK government is paid by the US CIA or whoever to spy on US citizens which is in violation of US law and really also common decency on the part of the UK and US governments.


6 posted on 03/17/2017 5:36:50 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: UKrepublican

Sounds like utter propaganda.

This was suggested by Judge Napolitano on Fox News. The “U.S.” did not say it in the first place, and couldn’t (and wouldn’t) be able to assure anyone that it will “not repeat.”

Fake news.


7 posted on 03/17/2017 5:37:42 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: UKrepublican

8 posted on 03/17/2017 5:38:20 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("Game over, man, game over!" (my advice to DemocRATs))
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To: UKrepublican

Bull Hockey. Everyone spies on everyone else.


9 posted on 03/17/2017 5:39:20 AM PDT by Don Corleone (.leave the gun, take the canolis, take it to the mattress.)
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To: UKrepublican

Yes, based on the Snowdon and Vault 7 releases so far, in order to spy on their own citizens without the mess of getting a warrant, the UK and US governments came up with a cleaver plan: We have American’s assigned to GCHQ and they spy on Brits and we have Brits at NSA/CIA who spy on Americans. That way it is “foreign intelligence” that is being collected and not domestic surveillance.

Judge Napolitano is known to be a close associate and informal adviser to President Donald Trump. When Sean Spicer quoted from Judge Napolitano’s report of this arrangement being used by Barack Obama, it was kind of like the US Government confirming this little arrangement. The “announcement” from the May government is that the US government will not repeat these “ridiculous” assertions any more.


10 posted on 03/17/2017 5:41:39 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: UKrepublican

That statement is a turn for the surreal.


11 posted on 03/17/2017 5:41:44 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: UKrepublican

Which US authorities promised not to repeat these claims and why are there Democrats in office still alleging that the Ruskies hacked the US election and bought Trump and and and?

All kinds of international outrage over what the unelected Obamunists have been publicly spouting.


12 posted on 03/17/2017 5:42:28 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (patriots win, Communists and Socialist Just-Us Warriors lose)
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To: SteveH

The NSA obtained all the info that was provided to the Brits. A rogue Brit strained out juicy tidbits relevant to the campaign and kick them back to the DNC that passed them on to Obama........ my version of what I interpret the story to be

Recall if you will the precedent. Enigma was captured and broken down by the brits and we have shared high level stuff for ever since


13 posted on 03/17/2017 5:42:40 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hillary is Ameritrash, pass it on)
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To: wbarmy

>>>Rrump never said anything about the UK wiretapping him or his people. What the heck is this about?

“Sean Spicer, Mr Trump’s press secretary, repeated a claim on Thursday evening – initially made by an analyst on Fox News - that GCHQ was used by Mr Obama to spy on Trump Tower in the lead-up to last November’s election.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/


14 posted on 03/17/2017 5:45:20 AM PDT by oincobx
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To: UKrepublican
This accusation never came from the White House that I can remember.

That raises eyebrows and leads me to wonder if that little rumor is true. Does anyone have proof this came from the White House???

15 posted on 03/17/2017 5:45:30 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Pravious

It was Sean Spicer, not Trump. From Telegraph:

“Sean Spicer, Mr Trump’s press secretary, repeated a claim on Thursday evening – initially made by an analyst on Fox News - that GCHQ was used by Mr Obama to spy on Trump Tower in the lead-up to last November’s election.”


16 posted on 03/17/2017 5:46:16 AM PDT by Where is todays Reagan
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To: SkyPilot

“Sounds like some people are freaking out because the truth is coming into the light.

First of two parts and maybe more on the 7+ decades long history of the UK’s spying on our people and us spying on their people.

UKUSA Agreement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The UKUSA Community: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States

The United Kingdom – United States of America Agreement (UKUSA, /;/ew-koo-sah)[1][2] is a multilateral agreement for cooperation in signals intelligence between Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The alliance of intelligence operations is also known as the Five Eyes.[3][4][5][6][7]

In classification markings this is abbreviated as FVEY, with the individual countries being abbreviated as AUS, CAN, NZL, GBR, and USA, respectively.[8]

Emerging from an informal agreement related to the 1941 Atlantic Charter, the secret treaty was renewed with the passage of the 1943 BRUSA Agreement, before being officially enacted on 5 March 1946 by the United Kingdom and the United States. In the following years, it was extended to encompass Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Other countries, known as “third parties”, such as West Germany, the Philippines, and several Nordic countries also joined the UKUSA community.[9][10]

Much of the sharing of information is performed via the ultra-sensitive STONEGHOST network, which has been claimed to contain “some of the Western world’s most closely guarded secrets”.[11]

Besides laying down rules for intelligence sharing, the agreement formalized and cemented the “Special Relationship” between the UK and the USA.[12][13]

Due to its status as a secret treaty, its existence was not known to the Prime Minister of Australia until 1973,[14] and it was not disclosed to the public until 2005.

[13] On 25 June 2010, for the first time in history, the full text of the agreement was publicly released by the United Kingdom and the United States, and can now be viewed online.[9][15] Shortly after its release, the seven-page UKUSA Agreement was recognized by Time magazine as one of the Cold War’s most important documents, with immense historical significance.[13]

The global surveillance disclosure by Edward Snowden has shown that the intelligence-sharing activities between the First World allies of the Cold War are rapidly shifting into the digital realm of the Internet.[16][17][18]

Due to its status as a secret treaty, its existence was not known to the Prime Minister of Australia until 1973,[14] and it was not disclosed to the public until 2005.


17 posted on 03/17/2017 5:46:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Remember during Trump Tower Spygate, there were No American fingerprints; just Obama's...!!!!:))
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To: COBOL2Java

Who nose. :-)


18 posted on 03/17/2017 5:48:10 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Don Corleone

My searches today are “biased” by Google pimping the “Faux News is craaaaazy” (it’s okay for leftists to allege fake news) as I try to find out....

didn’t Obama wiretap the prime minister of England?

I could find this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10407282/Barack-Obama-approved-tapping-Angela-Merkels-phone-3-years-ago.html
Barack Obama ‘approved tapping Angela Merkel’s phone 3 years ago’
Mr Obama was told of the secret monitoring of Mrs Merkel by General Keith Alexander, the head of the NSA, in 2010, according to Bild am Sonntag, a German newspaper.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/23/us-monitored-angela-merkel-german
Angela Merkel’s call to Obama: are you bugging my mobile phone?
Germany sees credible evidence of US monitoring of chancellor as NSA surveillance row intensifies
Thursday 24 October 2013 03.10 EDT


Brits certainly saw Obama as capable of demanding such invasions of privacy against non-hostile peers.


19 posted on 03/17/2017 5:48:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (patriots win, Communists and Socialist Just-Us Warriors lose)
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To: UKrepublican
The US has agreed not to repeat claims the UK's communications intelligence agency wiretapped Donald Trump in the weeks after he won the US election.

But I bet Judge Napolitano will.

20 posted on 03/17/2017 5:50:18 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: SkyPilot

Part two of ??? parts history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

“It couldn’t possibly be true, because that is not how our system works,” Pelosi said during a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington.

“We do not investigate, through a FISA court, Americans — here or abroad.”

Well, Nancy how about this: Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

MUSCULAR (surveillance program)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MUSCULAR (DS-200B), located in the United Kingdom,[1] is the name of a surveillance programme jointly operated by Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that was revealed by documents which were released by Edward Snowden and interviews with knowledgeable officials.[2] GCHQ is the primary operator of the program.[1]

GCHQ and the National Security Agency have secretly broken into the main communications links that connect the data centers of Yahoo! and Google.[3]Substantive information about the program was made public at the end of October 2013.

Contents:

1 Overview
2 Operational details
3 Reactions and countermeasures
4 Gallery
5 See also
6 References
7 External links

Overview:

The programme is jointly run by:
– Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) (United Kingdom)
– U.S. National Security Agency (NSA)

MUSCULAR is one of at least four other similar programs that rely on a trusted 2nd party, programs which together are known as WINDSTOP.

In a 30-day period from December 2012 to January 2013, MUSCULAR was responsible for collecting 181 million records. It was however dwarfed by another WINDSTOP program known (insofar) only by its code DS-300 and codename INCENSER, which collected over 14 billion records in the same period.[4]
Operational details:

According to the leaked document the NSA’s acquisitions directorate sends millions of records every day from internal Yahoo! and Google networks to data warehouses at the agency’s headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland.

The programme operates via an access point known as DS-200B, which is outside the United States, and it relies on an unnamed telecommunications operator to provide secret access for the NSA and the GCHQ.[3]

According to the Washington Post, the MUSCULAR program collects more than twice as many data points (“selectors” in NSA jargon) compared to the better known PRISM.[2]

Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

Because of the huge amount of data involved, MUSCULAR has presented a special challenge to NSA’s Special Source Operations. For example, when Yahoo! decided to migrate a large amount of mailboxes between its data centers, the NSA’s PINWALE database (their primary analytical database for the Internet) was quickly overwhelmed with the data coming from MUSCULAR.[5]

Closely related programmes are called INCENSER and TURMOIL. TURMOIL, belonging to the NSA, is a system for processing the data collected from MUSCULAR.[1]

According to a post-it style note from the presentation, the exploitation relied on the fact that (at the time at least) data was transmitted unencrypted inside Google’s private cloud, with “Google Front End Servers” stripping and respectively adding back SSL from/to external connections.

According to the Washington Post: “Two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing.” After the information about MUSCULAR was published by the press, Google announced that it was working on deploying encrypted communication between its datacenters.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)


21 posted on 03/17/2017 5:51:16 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Remember during Trump Tower Spygate, there were No American fingerprints; just Obama's...!!!!:))
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To: UKrepublican

in reply to the Senate/House Intel chairs’ statements about no evidence of wiretapping, Sean Spicer gave a listing for 7 minutes of press reports alluding to surveillance. i think the British thing was included.


22 posted on 03/17/2017 5:52:01 AM PDT by avital2
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To: Pravious

Not fake news. This was the way to get around the FISA warrants. Have the UK do it, but in a “casting a wide net” type way, and oops- Trump and crew were recorded. President Trump is getting more and more people to fall into the the trap. Do you really think he’s that stupid to say this stuff without any evidence??


23 posted on 03/17/2017 5:52:47 AM PDT by petercooper (Why don't polls ever add up to 100%?)
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To: a fool in paradise

The UK’s MI-5 and MI-6 are past-masters in the art of lying to the public. You create a spy agency which is devoted to hiding the truth and you can never really depend on what its leaders say — e.g., Clapper testimony.


24 posted on 03/17/2017 5:53:57 AM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: wbarmy

Spicer read for Judge Napolitano’s article making the accusation, apparently.


25 posted on 03/17/2017 5:54:19 AM PDT by MortMan (Attractive physicists have an exceptional incidence of thermal presence.)
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To: Bookshelf

Didn’t a prostitution/escort allegation come from England?


26 posted on 03/17/2017 5:55:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (patriots win, Communists and Socialist Just-Us Warriors lose)
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To: Pravious

Spicer apparently read from the udge’s piece in a press conference. The media here cried that Spicer made the charge himself.


27 posted on 03/17/2017 5:55:16 AM PDT by MortMan (Attractive physicists have an exceptional incidence of thermal presence.)
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To: SkyPilot

Inconvenient truth, wonder if Al Gore will pick this up or is inconvenient truth a only synonym for fake news?


28 posted on 03/17/2017 5:56:17 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: UKrepublican

There really better be strong evidence for what Trump wrote on Twitter other than news reports because he will have no credibility after this strong allegation. So much to go after Obama, Hillary and co. and he better not have messed up with this.


29 posted on 03/17/2017 5:56:24 AM PDT by VermithraxPejorative
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To: UKrepublican

CYA time by the intelligence communities in multiple countries it appears. One tweet by the president saying he was wiretapped and all the rats are running for cover.


30 posted on 03/17/2017 5:56:33 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: VermithraxPejorative

Oh ye of little faith

Weakly, you have turned on Him already


31 posted on 03/17/2017 5:58:01 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hillary is Ameritrash, pass it on)
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To: UKrepublican

Head UK spy quit to spend time with his family.


32 posted on 03/17/2017 5:58:39 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: UKrepublican

The peculiar mixture of diplomatese with lawyerly vehement non-denial says that there is definitely a “there” there.


33 posted on 03/17/2017 5:59:26 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: UKrepublican

So the BBC speaks for the US now.

How about this. US says UK spied on Trump and is gonna get spanked. UK will bend over and take it because they are pussies.


34 posted on 03/17/2017 5:59:36 AM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: SubMareener

Kinda like having a E-5 Coast Guardsman on every intel gathering /LEO enforcement team to take advantage of his US Customs authority so we can claim that US military assets were not used in the intel gathering or enforcement actions against any US citizens?


35 posted on 03/17/2017 6:00:13 AM PDT by Delta 21 (The minority demands NOTHING !)
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To: wbarmy

WH repeated what Judge Nap. said.


36 posted on 03/17/2017 6:00:34 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: UKrepublican

If Spicer thinks the Judge knows what he is talking about he is crazy,he is wrong most of the time and his inside sources are fictional

Judge Nap: Obama ‘Went Outside Chain of Command,’ Used British Spy Agency to Surveil Trump
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/14/judge-napolitano-why-there-may-never-be-proof-even-if-obama-spied-trump


37 posted on 03/17/2017 6:00:56 AM PDT by Emergencyawesome
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To: VermithraxPejorative

How many times now, has he come out with an apparently random comment on Twitter that was broadly condemned yet turned out to be substantially correct? Can you think of an instance wherein he wasn’t?


38 posted on 03/17/2017 6:02:31 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bert

I expect more than Trump and Spicer just reading reports and allegations and everyone should. Trump chose to make this a focus and there better be a there there. Bad enough he hasn’t hit back hard enough on Russia, but to give enemies this if he doesn’t have solid proof!


39 posted on 03/17/2017 6:02:51 AM PDT by VermithraxPejorative
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To: RegulatorCountry

Table-pounding absent facts and law.


40 posted on 03/17/2017 6:03:16 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: UKrepublican

uh huh. whatevs.


41 posted on 03/17/2017 6:03:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: UKrepublican
Just how many spy agencies are there out there? This whole "Global Village" thing is starting to sound like "The Prisoner", with everyone under constant surveillance

42 posted on 03/17/2017 6:06:05 AM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: Pravious
This was suggested by Judge Napolitano on Fox News. The “U.S.” did not say it in the first place, and couldn’t (and wouldn’t) be able to assure anyone that it will “not repeat.”

Sean Spicer cited Napolitano in a White House press briefing. If the claim can't be substantiated, or it's not desirable to talk about it in public, Spicer should never have mentioned it in the first place. As it is, it appears we are being forced to swallow our words in front of the world. Not the biggest deal in the world, but not a good look, either.
43 posted on 03/17/2017 6:06:50 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: UKrepublican

This is a VERY dangerous situation Obama put us in. He DID use the Brits to spy on Trump. But the GCHQ is basically a subsidiary of our NSA. We pay them $100 million a year. And we share critical intel with them. But that system was critical compromised by Obama’s corrupt move, and now this is a crisis in the system. Reason #938 why Obama belongs in jail.


44 posted on 03/17/2017 6:06:54 AM PDT by montag813
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To: txhurl

Table-pounding sometimes works, if a given opponent can be intimidated.


45 posted on 03/17/2017 6:07:46 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: UKrepublican

There are 3 other countries that exchange intel. Try them. Also the US helps to pay the lbthq budget for some reason.


46 posted on 03/17/2017 6:07:59 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Emergencyawesome

Given you joined here mere days before the election, I’ll take what you say with a grain of salt, even though I think the Judge may be blowing smoke.


47 posted on 03/17/2017 6:08:25 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: UKrepublican

Weeks after the election? How about before the election?

It is not illegal for another country to listen in on other coutries citizens.
Soooooo...obama asked, and recieved, from the British equivalent of the NSA. M-whatever. all of their surveillance on Trump.
Probably in exchange for the NSA surveillance of who knows who in British Government...PM? the Queen?


48 posted on 03/17/2017 6:13:18 AM PDT by Leep (Cyclops Network News (CNN). The Most Trusted Source Of Fake News.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

True.


49 posted on 03/17/2017 6:14:12 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: UKrepublican

I did not say your mom was fat. I said I heard my cousin’s friend say your mom was fat. Also, I will never say your mom is fat again.


50 posted on 03/17/2017 6:16:22 AM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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