Posted on 02/27/2017 10:47:59 AM PST by Mozilla
At what point do we break up the USA?
If your answer is “NEVER!” accompanied by some version of “How could you even consider seriously considering such a thing?!”, then you are a cultist.
An Americultist.
For the non-Americultists out there, the question – and it is an important one – stands:
At what point do we break up the USA?
How about at the point DC enforces a policy of open, systematic, “legal” child sacrifice?
Nope.
That’s been going on for decades. We’re apparently not willing to stand against the America Idol over that one.
What about the DC-imposed obliteration of marriage and the DC-enforced imposition of “gay marriage” across the land?
Nah, we won’t cut ourselves loose even after that.
The bottom line seems to be, for now anyway, that we’re way too thoroughly programmed, pimped out, and dependent on the DC-centered American Welfare/Warfare State for us to even consider severing the chains that we’ve come to love and depend upon.
But for more and more people, the question is building.
If we won’t break up the DC-centered State now, when will we?
What would push us over the line?
What would force us to finally say “no” and “goodbye” to American Statism?
There has to be a line somewhere, doesn’t there?
If not, we really are slaves, aren’t we?
We really are the most desperate and pathetic sort of cultists.
But if there is a point at which most of us can agree that secession or some other sort of solid, complete separation from DC power would become necessary, shouldn’t we be thinking now about what that point actually is?
Now consider this: What if, after beginning this thought process in a serious manner (many of us for the first time), we came to realize that the hard, impassable lines that we should set for secession or some similar thing were actually lines that were passed long ago by DC?
What if we came to realize that DC-imposed child sacrifice, “gay marriage”, and gender obliteration were more than enough to warrant – and even require – our leaving the DC-fueled anti-Christian empire?
What if along the way we realized that we actually should have broken up this DC beast a very long time ago?
Something to think about.
In order to help with this thought process, I want to share with you now another excellent article from the Mises Wire, simply titled Break Up the USA.
Check this out:
“Some of our assumptions are so deeply embedded that we cannot perceive them ourselves.
Case in point: everyone takes for granted that it’s normal for a country of 320 million to be dictated to by a single central authority. The only debate we’re permitted to have is who should be selected to carry out this grotesque and inhumane function.
Here’s the debate we should be having instead: what if we simply abandoned this quixotic mission, and went our separate ways? It’s an idea that’s gaining traction — much too late, to be sure, but better late than never.
For a long time it seemed as if the idea of secession was unlikely to take hold in modern America. Schoolchildren, after all, are told to associate secession with slavery and treason. American journalists treat the idea as if it were self-evidently ridiculous and contemptible (an attitude they curiously do not adopt when faced with US war propaganda, I might add).
And yet all it took was the election of Donald Trump for the alleged toxicity of secession to vanish entirely. The left’s principled opposition to secession and devotion to the holy Union went promptly out the window on November 8, 2016. Today, about one in three Californians polled favors the Golden State’s secession from the Union.
In other words, some people seem to be coming to the conclusion that the whole system is rotten and should be abandoned.
It’s true that most leftists have not come around to this way of thinking. Many have adopted the creepy slogan “not my president” – in other words, I may not want this particular person having the power to intervene in all aspects of life and holding in his hands the ability to destroy the entire earth, but I most certainly do want someone else to have those powers.
Not exactly a head-on challenge to the system, in other words. (That’s what we libertarians are for.) The problem in their view is only that the wrong people are in charge.
Indeed, leftists who once said “small is beautiful” and “question authority” had little trouble embracing large federal bureaucracies in charge of education, health, housing, and pretty much every important thing. And these authorities, of course, you are not to question (unless they are headed by a Trump nominee, in which case they may be temporarily ignored).
Meanwhile, the right wing has been calling for the abolition of the Department of Education practically since its creation in 1979. That hasn’t happened, as you may have noticed. Having the agency in Republican hands became the more urgent task.
Each side pours tremendous resources into trying to take control of the federal apparatus and lord it over the whole country.
How about we call it quits?
No more federal fiefdoms, no more forcing 320 million people into a single mold, no more dictating to everyone from the central state.
Radical, yes, and surely not a perspective we were exposed to as schoolchildren. But is it so unreasonable? Is it not in fact the very height of reason and good sense? And some people, we may reasonably hope, may be prepared to consider these simple and humane questions for the very first time.
Now can we imagine the left actually growing so unhappy as to favor secession as a genuine solution?
Here’s what I know. On the one hand, the left made its long march through the institutions: universities, the media, popular culture. Their intention was to remake American society. The task involved an enormous amount of time and wealth. Secession would amount to abandoning this string of successes, and it’s hard to imagine them giving up in this way after sinking all those resources into the long march.
At the same time, it’s possible that the cultural elite have come to despise the American bourgeoisie so much that they’re willing to treat all of that as a sunk cost, and simply get out.
Whatever the case may be, what we can and should do is encourage all decentralization and secession talk, such that these heretofore forbidden options become live once again.
I can already hear the objections from Beltway libertarians, who are not known for supporting political decentralization. To the contrary, they long for the day when libertarian judges and lawmakers will impose liberty on the entire country. And on a more basic level, they find talk of states’ rights, nullification, and secession – about which they hold the most exquisitely conventional and p.c. views – to be sources of embarrassment.
How are they going to rub elbows with the Fed chairman if they’re associated with ideas like these?
Of course we would like to see liberty flourish everywhere. But it’s foolish not to accept more limited victories and finite goals when these are the only realistic options.
The great libertarians – from Felix Morley and Frank Chodorov to Murray Rothbard and Hans Hoppe — have always favored political decentralization; F.A. Hayek once said that in the future liberty was more likely to flourish in small states. This is surely the way forward for us today, if we want to see tangible changes in our lifetimes. . . “
Something to think about.
And something to encourage others to think about.
At every opportunity.
Through actual conversations.
Really.
Right now. (Or yesterday, ideally.)
It’s way past time that we got in gear on this, so let’s start asking and answering important questions that we’ve been programmed to ignore and avoid for far too long.
Questions like:
At what point do we break up the USA?
Article reposted with permission from Fire Breathing Christian
United we stand.
Divided we fall.
Simple as that..................
Time to separate.
Agree absolutely.
The left is united on the world scene. Backing down means handing them the victory, and it would rapidly become a Pyrrhic victory thanks to their philosophy of unrestrained hatred.
Better to indict, try, convict, sentence, and hang the leaders of liberalism for treason.
A few hundred thousand should serve as examples to the rest, who can spend their nights in cold sweat waiting for the loud knock on their door.
With secession comes the need to establish defenses and maintain a state of readiness. The average Trump-Haters are going want to keep all the social programs going, but may tend to ignore or cannibalize their defense budgets.
The average Trump-Haters do not believe in defining or defending their borders, at least not now. Wait until they get treated like certain countries in the EU, Sweden, Germany and France. All American states outside of these newly seceded states will need to fortify their own borders to keep the seperatists out. It will, in short, be a big mess pleasing no one once the novelty has worn off.
Not enough geographical basis. Big city and university islands everywhere.
Best hope is some kind of home rule in locations willing to just say no to rule by federal courts.
It’s a silly question until you fully define the alternative.
We’re breaking it up for what, exactly?
The real question isn’t “when” or after what trigger. The question is “how”. Who gets what? What is the legal division of property? Who gets the nuclear weapons? How do we handle resettlement of millions of refugees? How is the debt divided?
I would love to live in Red State America, but what if my state goes with the Blues? It’s Florida. It could when push comes to shove and votes are counted. If it goes Red, then what happens to my Blueish neighbor? My Blueish sister who has lived in Florida for 45 of her 51 years?
The western empire acquiesced to be invaded and overrun by barbarians from beyond its borders, it diminished its defensive capabilities while exacting more and more taxes from the citizens. Finally it collapsed in 486 when a Germanic warlord arrived and deposed the last emperor at Rome.
The eastern empire however endured for almost another thousand years. It could be called the more prudent and conservative of the two halves of the original empire. Its military and technological capabilities were second to none (to this day we can not replicate their super-secret "Greek fire"). Had it not been for the rise of Islam and the Turkish tribes, it might have lasted much much longer. Maybe even to the present day.
Throw the dissenters out.
The land belongs to America.
All those citizens and residents who hate the USA and want to turn it into a socialist, globalist, Islamic utopia have most of the rest of the world they can emigrate to and live in the kind of socio-political systems they claim to admire.
Those of us who love America, the US Constitution, freedom, independence, self determination, self reliance and capitalism have no where else on earth to go.
Oh, they used a perfectly good reason, but based on a badly flawed premise. The "good reason" was something protected by the 10th Amendment, powers not specifically enumerated in the Constitution being reserved to the various States, but the "states rights" had to do with the propagation of the institution of slavery. And a unilateral declaration that slavery was now an illegal activity elsewhere in the United States led to the secession of the South, as the Confederacy.
Needless to say, the attempt at secession was unsuccessful, and the old Confederacy was re-integrated into the Union, under force of arms. But even after being once more a part of the original Union, the seething resentment went on for well over a century, and the "reconstructed" states were held to be sort of second-class citizens, not politically reliable for the advancing civilization of the Northern states.
But now that "decivilization" has set in in several of the states, particularly the West Coast and portions of the East coast, the divorce of the civilized part from the now feral part of the country becomes increasingly a better and better idea.
How about we just get all the liberals to move to Syria or someplace like that. There are bound to be a lot of really good real estate buys over there nowadays and the libs can have all the “multiculturalism” they want.
How about we just get all the liberals to move to Syria or someplace like that. There are bound to be a lot of really good real estate buys over there nowadays and the libs can have all the “multiculturalism” they want.
we need to gain as many state legislatures as possible and have an article v convention to reign in the federal government and return power to the states.
Breakup is inevitable.
We haven’t even had 65% eligible voter turnout since 1908. Most of the time it was way less than that and dramatically less for local and state elections in non-presidential election years. The point being I can’t see any succession happening if normally 40-50% of folks don’t even deign to vote. And yes, if nothing happened over roe v wade I have hard time imagining it happening over anything else. Things would have to get way worse as far as the general comfort level. Heck, our poorest are the most likely to be obese, something that’s never happened before. That would probably have to change for any type of sustained unrest to happen I think.
Freegards
The problem with that is the possibility of the liberals/socialists/commie bastards hijacking it...............
About 10 years ago, I read the book “Breaking Point”. It was about Quebec’s 1995 secession referendum.
IMHO, the referendum failed for two reasons - one was that Quebeckers wanted to continue getting goodies from Ottawa as well as getting their butts continually kissed.
The second reason was that the sheer enormity and complicated nature of secession was almost too much to consider. The book dwelved (sp?) into that aspect. It was truly a daunting process and one that not many wanted to embark upon.
I think the same exists here in the United States. The process is not quite as easy as it was in 1861 - economically, militarily and culturally.
Gangrene
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