Being stupid is continually having a yeah but comment on everything Trump and denying that you do it.
Posted on 02/04/2017 11:36:33 AM PST by Jim W N
With every hand wringing comment you make.
Well, I got dragged into how many EO’s ex-presidents have done and that is completely beside the point here.
I read Reagan’s to be six probably misread it.
Doesn’t matter and I never said Trump has done anything wrong. I’m saying that we should “trust but verify” those we put in office, and EO’s are always a constitutional issue.
The reason we’ve had all these EO’s is the growth of the unaccountable and unconstitutional Administrative/Regulatory State which is accountable to no one and not authorized by the Constitution.
So the point is, we all must put the Constitution front and center regarding the feds. That’s really the point of this post. It wasn’t a diss against Trump - I never did that. It was aimed at us - We the People. It was to have the discussion we had and raise awareness of these issues that sooner or later MUST be dealt with if we are to recover or Free Constitutional Republic.
I think Trump is on the right path, but the more we all know and learn about the Constitution and what it will take to make the feds constitutional again, the better.
“I’m saying that we should “trust but verify” those we put in office”
I think we’re coming from the same place there, but I don’t see anything wrong with EOs per se. Some EOs are perfectly constitutional, some are not. In Obama’s case, some of his EOs were along the lines of ordering agencies to completely ignore enforcement of standing immigration laws. That’s legislating from the executive, and 100% unconstitutional.
Well, maybe you don’t have a problem with acts of the executive branch that include lawmaking (”regulations” usually). But this is how the Left has over the last 150 gradually eroded the Constitution ALWAYS in favor of more and more federal government power.
Generally I’m against EO’s. If Trump is countermanding Obama’s EOs many of which were meant to bypass Congress, some expressly so, then that is probably OK because it is neutralizing unconstitutional federal acts committed by Obama.
What really needs to happen is the unconstitutional agencies requiring EO’s need to be cut off at the knees and all this b/s scrapped and we can get back to the feds limited to what the Constitution limits it to - basically protecting us from invasion/attack.
It is saying that these unconstitutional social programs have to go. Ramp them down when necessary but they need to be nuked. These regulatory agencies requiring most of these EO’s are there to facilitate unconstitutional federal social programs. Nuke the whole freaking thing.
I said: Well, maybe you don’t have a problem with acts of the executive branch that include lawmaking (”regulations” usually).
I don't think that's putting words in your mouth.
Again, you should know by now that my concern is genuine and is focused mainly on us, not Trump, as WE are the ones to "trust but verify" what our elected officials are up to.
Trump is only the beginning of a long road back up to restoring a Free Constitutional Republic. God bless Trump, but it is up to the American People and the states to get smart and mount a SUSTAINED effort that goes well past 2024. If the Left wins in 2024, America is gone. NOW is the time to plan for the future my FRiend and that's what this post is all about.
No, that’s YOU being stupid.
Being stupid is continually having a yeah but comment on everything Trump and denying that you do it.
“Yeah but” isn’t the same as saying “everything Trump does is stupid”.
Get a clue.
If you had half a brain you’d see this issue isn’t directed mainly at Trump but at people like you who go to sleep and give federal officials a free pass which is why we’re in the mess we’re in.
The only thing you are doing is dumping on Trump. Calling it something else and insulting those that call you out i just wasted bandwidth. You took a beating on this thread and are just trying to get a pound of flesh from someone. Good luck
You’d like to think so, but my purpose was to raise awareness. I know there are a lot of hotheads like you here who put in what isn’t there (the way the Leftist Media does) - in this case saying I’m “dumping on Trump” when I haven’t done any such thing. Kind of a lie, wouldn’t you say? Many of those on a harangue here have actually demonstrated acute ignorance, yourself included. And your attitude that dismisses watching the feds and “trusting but verifying” those we put in office, makes you part of the problem.
However, I also know there are those here who are thoughtful and might actually consider what an EO actually is as many have on this thread. So my purpose of arising awareness and having at least a semi-coherent discussion was accomplished.
Now, go back to sleep.
There are those here that actually understand what an EO is and you aren't one of them. Currently best I can tell the EOs that Trump has signed just undo the worst of Obama's EOs. But hand wringers will do what they are compelled to do.
Now why I don't give a Cr@p what you think about his EOs. I said years ago the only way the worst of the Obama administration will get undone is to have a President that uses the same power that was used to implement it. He will have to do that because his own party will oppose most of what needs to be done and the last two weeks prove that is true.
Your method has about the same effect as a women waving a Restraining Order in her husbands face as he strangles the life out of her. We are way past that.
You have no freaking clue what I think about Trump’s EO’s. You also don’t have a freaking clue about the issue of EO’s in general and have no idea why EO’s run at the edge between the Constitution and tyranny.
Go away and go back to sleep.
Executive orders, not contemplated by the ratifiers or the Constitution,
I absolutely know what they do and I reject your premise. So did the majority of posters on this thread.
What do you think the immigration EO that is in the 9th Circus said that was illegal?
Wrong answer McFry. Madison helped write the Constitution but it was ratified by the states and what gives force to a law is not the writer but the ratifier. The Constitution is properly interpreted by its text as originally understood and intended by RATIFIERS, not the writers.
Now get back to the point - EO’s should be questioned as they combine lawmaking (normally “regulation”) with enforcement. EO’s are not necessarily always unconstitutional but they should be questioned because the are generally out in the margin between the Constitution and tyranny as many of Obama’s EO’s were.
Oftentimes the need for an EO is because Congress has failed specificity in their law because they are scared politically and want to keep their jobs. Generally Congress is c/s and should be made to fix vague law.
This post was mainly directed at WE the people to, again, “trust but verify” those we elect into federal office, because our failure to do so is what got us into this mess to begin with.
Why do you think EO’s run at the edge between the Constitution and tyranny?
And oh BTW, I never said the immigration EO was illegal. I said WE should scrutinize it. You’re like the Lying Leftist Media - putting words in my mouth that I never said.
If that was all you said we wouldn't be having this conversation and the thread would be singing your praises. You like Levin and Beck compliment, then strike, no compliment can be made without reservation to negate it.
Do you have any complaints to make about the totally illegal incursion of the judge into his immigration EO? What would you recommend he do about that? Has the Constitution helped him to use the power he expressly has? Maybe you think he should just say oh well, the court has ruled, like Jeb did, when a senile family court judge killed Terry Schiavo in the cruelest way possible.
That’s what the post was about. Raise awareness and have a hopefully at least semi-coherent discussion. I think that partially happened so to that degree my purpose in the post was accomplished. EO’s are an issue that should be understood (several showed complete ignorance about what an EO actually is) and looked at by us, because they tend to be dangerously close to unconstitutional acts of the feds and also often point to vague and sometimes unconstitutional law.
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