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Europe 2017: Brexit, far-right surging, Russian threat
Associate Press ^ | December 30th, 2016 | GREGORY KATZ

Posted on 12/30/2016 10:38:31 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden

LONDON (AP) -- Europe's leaders are not expecting a smooth ride in 2017 following a year marked by political upheaval, extremist attacks, unchecked immigration, and a rising military threat from Russia.

Britain is suing for divorce, the far-right is on the march, some former Soviet satellites seem disillusioned with the West even as Russia seeks to regain its influence, and America will soon inaugurate an untested, seemingly Russia-friendly president who has voiced doubts about the usefulness of the NATO alliance. The uncertainty is thick enough to breathe.

It all looks so different from the triumphant panorama presented more than two decades ago when the European Union was expanding. Formerly captive nations freed from Soviet control seemed eager to embrace liberal democracy, capitalism - and substantial subsidies - from their wealthier neighbors.

There was rosy talk of an ever-closer union, the development of a single currency, and a cooperative relationship with Russia. It hasn't turned out that way - the EU, with its touted ideals of shared democratic values and free movement of people, has never seem so frayed and vulnerable.

"The risks for 2017 remain very high," said Adam Thomson, director of the London-based European Leadership Network research group. "We Europeans need to recognize that we face a level of risk in the West-Russian confrontation that we have not seen since the 1960s. It is partly because a lot of the security rules of the road have been torn up or suspended, so there are fewer rules and less predictability."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: brexit; elections; govtabuse
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I would only caution readers that when an article says far right in relation to Europe, do not necessarily equate that to right wing in America. They are not the same. While I believe that LePenn would be good for France and Geert good for the Netherlands, I don't know enough about these other "right wing" group to know if they are truly fascists are more in line with what we believe in.

I am worried about the Russian threat against the Baltics, Poland and other former soviet satellites. These central European countries are some of America's strongest allies now, far better than Germany and other western Europeans.

1 posted on 12/30/2016 10:38:31 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Another “far right equals anyone who is not a Pinko” article.


2 posted on 12/30/2016 10:42:51 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I think Le Pen is going to win it and that will be the end of the EU.

Also, Mr. Megan is retired from 25 years in the USMC and I thank you for your service!


3 posted on 12/30/2016 10:47:57 AM PST by MeganC (Hate crime: The heinous act of disagreeing with a liberal.)
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To: BenLurkin

Europe does not have a “far right” , their “right wingers” are classic liberals who simply are not hard left Marxists.


4 posted on 12/30/2016 10:48:39 AM PST by rdcbn (.... when Poets buy guns, tourist season is over ......d)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I am proud to call myself a fascist, in the mold of Mussolini.


5 posted on 12/30/2016 10:58:42 AM PST by ichabod1 (Make America Normal Again)
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To: rdcbn

Do you really think there are no hardline nationalist fascist factions in Europe? They cannot speak. It is not permitted. But of course it is there.


6 posted on 12/30/2016 11:01:38 AM PST by ichabod1 (Make America Normal Again)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
I am worried about the Russian threat against the Baltics, Poland and other former soviet satellites.

You've bought into the propaganda. Putin is no angel, but I'm more worried about Obama, Soros and their fellow multi-culti, progressive globalists starting a war with Russia, who they view as a stumbling block to total control of Europe. They've already tried in Ukraine and Syria.

7 posted on 12/30/2016 11:15:25 AM PST by PGR88
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To: BenLurkin

“Far right” means that you’re tired of being raped, mugged, harassed, taxed-to-death and killed by migrants.


8 posted on 12/30/2016 11:18:13 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: PGR88

Poland will kick Russia’s ass if they tried. EVERY Pole will fight.


9 posted on 12/30/2016 11:18:49 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: MeganC
"Mr. Megan is retired from 25 years in the USMC and I thank you for your service!"

So do I. Thanks for your service Mr. Megan and Semper Fi! You as well Mrs. Megan. I remember all the times my wife had to hold down the fort when I was deployed overseas. Not an easy job! Thank you for helping to make America Great again!
10 posted on 12/30/2016 11:23:33 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: PGR88

It would make no sense for Russia to attack the Baltic states.

Europe is in big trouble right now. He should just let it die on its own. No sense provoking everyone by invading the Baltics. He’ll get it without firing a shot when the EU finally keels over in a couple of years.


11 posted on 12/30/2016 11:26:18 AM PST by KyCats
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To: MeganC

I would love to see Le Pen win. And then Frauke Petry in Germany. (While we’re dreaming might as well go big!)


12 posted on 12/30/2016 11:31:12 AM PST by KyCats
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"You've bought into the propaganda."

If I have, so has Gen Breedlove who as NATOS Supreme allied commander has been warning for a number of years concerning Russia's retrenchment. He's not the only one in the military community that believes this.
13 posted on 12/30/2016 11:31:40 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

It’s happening a few years too late, but reality is finally hitting the euros upside the head and getting their attention.


14 posted on 12/30/2016 11:32:13 AM PST by aquila48
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To: KyCats

The thought is that if he invaded the Baltics NATO would be treaty bound to defend them as they are in NATO. If NATO responded as tepidly as they did in Ukraine which was the first test, then NATO would crumble and all of the former satellite states would go back into the arms of Russia. A big gamble, but considering the state of the west’s military preps, is it that big of a gamble. Most wars have started because of perceived weakness by one side and western Europe is extremely weak militarily. With the current sequestration, I wouldn’t suggest we are strong either.


15 posted on 12/30/2016 11:34:46 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Breedlove was a moron. While everyone freaks out pretending its 1982 and invasion is imminent, even a casual look at the map shows a relentless NATO march east, right up to the border of Russia where they finally began to get some rumbling.

Meanwhile, we have countless wars, interventions, covert wars, and destabilizing operations going on all Africa and the middle east.

Then we run around screaming about Russian aggression. It’s actually kinda comical.


16 posted on 12/30/2016 11:48:02 AM PST by DesertRhino
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
People born in the Baltics are leaving in huge numbers as fast as they can. Putin doesn't want a bunch of failed States just so he can add territory to what is already the largest nation on earth.

The main reason the Baltics have their panties in a wad is that they have no tax base and they're falling apart. They're crying wolf over Russia in hopes of fat US and NATO bases making up for their tax shortfall so they're not running broke and decaying little countries. It's no fun being a big politico in a country that can't afford to keep the lights on in the offices.

Bureaucrats who have no money to spend or who are afraid their budget will be cut can usually come up with some sort of "dire emergency" that they claim requires their little fiefdom remain intact and that's exactly what all the hoopla about Russia invading them is, bureaucratic desperation.

17 posted on 12/30/2016 11:52:44 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Ukraine wasn’t NATO.

All of this Breedlove and war drums in NATO is designed to do one thing. Its a raindance for the defense industry, designed to bring back the defense spending of the cold war. Nothing more.


18 posted on 12/30/2016 11:54:32 AM PST by DesertRhino
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To: DesertRhino

Fine, call Breedlove a moron. Why not call Gen Dunford a moron, call Gen Milley a moron also. They’ve all gone on record with statements regarding Russia aggression. Newsflash, Putin is not our friend.

We are in this position because of a weak and feckless leader to be sure, but President Trump has to put a stop to this when he gets into office by getting rid of sequestration and making our military strong again. He also has to encourage our European partners in NATO to start antying up and living up to their military commitments to NATO. Some are starting to. If you think this is a joke and all of these military men who see far more intelligence than we do are morons, well then you can stay a part of the Neville Chamberlain wing of the Republican party and yes Chamberlain was a tory or English conservative.


19 posted on 12/30/2016 11:58:08 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Rashputin

I guess they are not upset with all of the Russian forces that have been staged closer to them. That has nothing to do with it.


20 posted on 12/30/2016 12:00:29 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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