Russian plane 'disappears from radar' near Sochi

BBC ^ | December 25 | Staff

[nuconvert]

As soon as I see military listed, I have to wonder if Putin wanted to get rid of some of them. Certainly wouldn’t be the 1st time.

[AdmSmith]

Kremlin was quick in saying that it was not a terrorist attack. For Kremlin watcher this indicates that it actually was an attack!

In this text https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1776513432673621&id=100009449452921 Valey Gratov Colonel of the Russian airborne troops writes that according to his freiends at FSB in Sochi it was an attack most likely ordered by the presidential administration !

He also writes that earlier he had the opinion that the bomb attacks related to Chechen war was done by terrorists, but that he now have second thoughts. My guess is that he is as disillusioned as Girkin/Strelkov

[AdmSmith]

=>he and his friends now have second thoughts.

[nuconvert]

lol. Had to laugh. Whenever a Russian plane goes down, suspect the leadership 1st until proven otherwise.

[AdmSmith]

According to http://www.fontanka.ru/2016/12/25/080/
two eye witnesses say they saw a flash and then the engines stopped. In the next post I will post the text in Russian in case the web page is removed:

[AdmSmith]

Очевидцы: Ту-154 падал в море с неработающими двигателями О том, как упал Ту-154 Минобороны, в эфире «Дождя» рассказала жительница Сочи Ирина Авдеенко, которая ранним утром гуляла со своим знакомым у гостиницы «Фрегат». Она заметила взлет самолета, затем вспышку и брызги от удара об воду. «Стояли, слушали шум моря, потом слышали, что взлетает самолет. Моторы работали нормально. Я краем глаза увидела — самолеты же с огнями летают — прямо над морем яркую вспышку, точнее, не вспышку, а свет от фар самолетных и потом уже брызги. Причем очень большие. В этот момент уже не было шума мотора. То есть, моторы уже не работали. Они как-то в один прекрасный момент раз – и заглохли. Жужжали, жужжали и раз — и заглохли, и брызги», – приводит «Дождь» слова Авдеенко. Вспышка в небе, которая могла быть бортовыми огнями самолета или следом взрыва, запечатлена и камерами наблюдения на сочинской набережной. Как предполагает MK.RU, эта вспышка в месте крушения Ту-154 может свидетельствовать в пользу версии «внешнего воздействия».

[TigerLikesRooster]

While it is not inconceivable, perhaps it is a little too early to head in that direction.

[AdmSmith]

Yes, it is very speculative. My guess, as of today, is technical problems.

[bert]

——My guess-—
Inadequate maintenance

[AdmSmith]

True - probably absence of planned maintenance

[AdmSmith]

Soon they will send some underwater rescue equipment, expect a lot of activities at the crash site.

The Russian Geographical Society sent two submersibles, called C-Quester and C-Explorer, to Sochi, Monday, to be used during search and rescue operations at the Tu-154 crash site at the Black Sea. The C-Quester and C-Explorer submersibles allow visual exploration of different objects at depths of up to 300 metres (984 feet) and allows three people on board at once. The apparatus will be operated by the specialists of the Russian Geographical Society Underwater Research Centre. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v-OFjXDQyY

It was something valuable in the cargo...

[bert]

——It was something valuable in the cargo...——

Hmmm......

[AdmSmith]

Is this fake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DGih7v3om0
look at 0:56

[AdmSmith]

If this is the flight route taken by the Tu-154, the air defense in Sochi night have given orders to eliminate the "threat":

[MIA_eccl1212]

putin and trump are just fine with each others comments.

obama is an islamic terrorist war monger, who hates white nations, that are largely Christian... like the USA was and Russia now is.

It is probably must me being overly sensitive, but you sound like a liberal democrat...

[AdmSmith]

Investigators were considering four main possible causes of the crash - penetration of foreign objects in the engine, substandard fuel that caused the loss of thrust, pilot error and technical malfunction of the plane.

http://rbth.com/news/2016/12/27/penetration-of-objects-in-engine-among-key-possible-causes-of-tu-154-plane_669356

Then there are a lot of odd ideas:
Russian “experts” suggest French spy ship A759 may have hacked Russian Tu154 & turned its electronics off on purpose.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/813459820502192129
original artcle: http://www.pravda.ru/accidents/factor/catastrof/26-12-2016/1321175-samolet-0/ (In Russian)

More likely Russia shot it down accidentally with a recently installed S-400 system. It would explain the wild rumours about spy planes
https://twitter.com/AdamNathan4/status/813559323821539328

and the bomb theory promoted by Valry Gratov see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3508028/posts?page=62#62

[TigerLikesRooster]

Do they know why the plane was turning back? Were pilots looking for a landing site after recognizing that the plane was having difficulties?

[nuconvert]

What happened to the possibility that the plane was overloaded?

[AdmSmith]

Latest is that they have a tape and the copilot said
“Flaps, ¤%&/” “Commander, we are falling!”
https://tvrain.ru/news/slova-424416/

If this is the case then something like this happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-tMBSJaeRY

[AdmSmith]

That the Russian TU-154 plane with 92 passengers on board crashed due to a bomb explosion on board is claimed by independent expert Yuri Antipov, BFM.ru reports Feb. 5.

The plane’s fragments indicate very high pressure in the cargo hull that tore up the plane’s body, the expert says.

Body fragments of the cargo section are burnt from within. It was caused by extremely high temperature due to an explosion,   Antipov continues.

Another proof of the bomb scenario is that the plane’s fragments were dispersed over a large area, the expert says.

http://zik.ua/en/news/2017/02/05/russian_plane_with_red_army_singers_downed_by_bomb_independent_expert_1037983

Perhaps there is some truth in the claims by Valery Gratov see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3508028/posts?page=62#62