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Many vaccines may be effective in preventing disease, but since vaccines cause an abnormal immune system response, it hinders the development of the immune system, resulting in inappropriate responses to normal environmental stimuli.

How Vaccinations Affect the Developing Immune System

According to my research: The CDC recommends that children get 49 doses of 14 vaccines before they reach the age of 6, and the total reaches 69 doses by the age of 18. In 1983, the CDC guidelines stated that doctors shouldn't give more than four vaccines at the same time. By 2013, CDC guidelines changed to approve giving children up to eight vaccines at once. Human tissue is currently used in 23 vaccines. One prominent former scientist at a pharmaceutical firm, Dr. Helen Ratajczak, feels that the increased spike in autism may be related to the introduction of human DNA into the MMR and chicken pox vaccines. She goes on to state that the foreign DNA from vaccines can be incorporated into the host DNA which causes the immune system to fight against the foreign cells. "This could start an inflammatory process that never ends, and leads to chronic illnesses like autoimmune disease and allergies. Maybe this is why we are seeing so many children with severe, life-threatening allergies to common foods like peanuts," he says.

Ted Koren, DC stated, "Dyslexia, minimal brain damage, ADD, autism, allergies, visual and many other neurologic diseases grouped together as "developmental disabilities," barely existed before mass vaccination programs. Probably twenty percent of American children-one youngster in five-suffers from a 'developmental disability.' This is a stupefying figure Developmental disabilities" are nearly always generated by encephalitis. And the primary cause of encephalitis in the United States and other industrialized countries is the childhood vaccination program.

The relationship of vaccinations to encephalopathies and neurological diseases have been surfacing in medical journals since the advent of mass vaccination programs. Autism was unheard of before vaccinations, and parallel mass vaccination programs very nicely. ADD and learning disorders in children are now being traced to childhood vaccinations, as well as convulsions, paralysis, and epilepsy. Brain damage is by far the most common adverse reaction associated with vaccinations, although their actual numbers are not often reported correctly.

List of Vaccination-induced Neurological disorders:

This list was generated from a variety of resources and is not, by any means, all inclusive.


Brought my 2 month old granddaughter in for her "well" baby visit and was shown a list of 6 vaccinations to be administered that day. My daughter, her mother, was a healthy baby until she underwent the DPT series (now replaced by Dtap). It wan't until she was struggling in school that I had her tested. She has dyslexia, ADHD, migraines and memory problems - all neurological disorders. She has opted out of vaccinating the baby. The pediatrician told us the policy of their practice is to vaccinate and we could not return.

Would be interested in hearing from others in this forum who have chosen not to vaccinate their children.

2 posted on 11/12/2016 7:14:13 AM PST by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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The veterinary profession has severely reduced its recommended vaccination protocol for dogs and cats after concluding that over-vaccination can lead to auto-immune illnesses and some cancers. This hits veterinarians right in the wallet, which has to tell you that there must be something behind the consensus.

The human medical profession evidently has "bought" into the notion that all vaccines at any time are perfectly safe and right.

6 posted on 11/12/2016 7:21:30 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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It’s the natural springs in the Gunks they hike in.


12 posted on 11/12/2016 7:35:10 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors!)
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I did not see in the article or the vid where it said that those that got the mumps were already vaccinated, but that is logical since vaccination is nearly universal for MMR in children 5 and older which would apply to this 20 something age group.
I would guess that this is a push to get “booster” vaccinations every 20 years. That way, the vaccine manufacturers can boost sales with limited liability. This gives the government a second chance to infect you with extraneous viruses and neurotoxins. Well at least the lower IQ from vaccines will keep the NBC fan base intact. The government masters like the compliance and dependency aspects to vaccines.
If the government and NBC says it’s good for you, stay way and run for your life.


18 posted on 11/12/2016 7:45:21 AM PST by grumpygresh (We don't have Democrats and Republicans, we have the Faustian uni-party)
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Would be interested in hearing from others in this forum who have chosen not to vaccinate their children.

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I chose not to vaccinate both my children. We have a long family history of adverse reactions to vaccines, including myself. The CDC website even tells you if you have close family members have had bad reactions, you should skip that vaccine.

I knew I could not take the chance with my kids, However, It was still not an easy decision, and I still second guess myself sometimes.

It's true that most pediatricians won't see unvacinated kids. So, I always went to the walk in clinic when I needed to take my kids to the doctor. Luckily, this was pretty rare.

You will find the your grandchildren will be remarkably more healthy than their peers. My girls have had the flu a couple of times and a few colds, and that's about it.

It seemed like their peers were constantly sick and had one ear infection after another.

I recently went to the clinic to get my daughter a physical for volley ball. The doctor that saw her was Japanese. He was looking through her medical history and said she was probably so healthy because she wasn't pumped full of vaccines that destroyed her immune system.

I was shocked, and no other doctor has ever said that to me. In fact, just the opposite.

I think it has to do with him believing in both Eastern and Western medicine.

20 posted on 11/12/2016 8:05:43 AM PST by kara37
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Vaccines do not cause add, migraines, or dyslexia.

You have been fed a load


22 posted on 11/12/2016 8:08:18 AM PST by Nifster (Ignore all polls. Get Out The Vote)
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Claims made by a chiropractor.


24 posted on 11/12/2016 8:11:36 AM PST by Pelham (more than election, Rebellion)
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PLEASE put me onto your list if I am not on it. I’ve done a lot of research, still ongoing. Even many live n=1 personal examples.

My biggest takeaway about vaccines: our immune system is ALWAYS dependent on the right combinations of bacteria in our guts and elsewhere in our body. This determines our health. For a newborn who is born nearly “empty,” with not much exposure to bacteria, it is ESSENTIAL that they are kept safe and in a cocoon of the mother’s immune system. Thus the harsh exposure of vaccines and their adjuvant ingredients at such a new stage of life is probably harmful to each and ever baby given them. None are ready. But we don’t know exactly what the harm could be — allergies, sensitivities, slight neurological quirks. But no infant has any way to handle the onslaught of vaccine inflammation and foreign bodies at that age.

Fast forward to toddler age. At this stage of human life, children have a rich biome going on, they are eating some real foods now, playing in dirt, eating dirt, fingers touching everything, going into mouth. Exposure to their own feces, etc. Bacteria are flourishing in toddlers and the biome shifts a lot. There can be illnesses, high fevers, miracle recoveries. The immune system is the bacterial biome, being slowly worked out like a muscle. Growing stronger. But every child’s biome is different. It is the toddler vaccines that show the vaccine injuries the most.

Up to 30 years ago came the rule to not bring your child in for vaccines when they have cold symptoms or are sick. This was oft repeated in all parenting articles and books, and by every good doctor’s office. Why? Because they were noticing vaccine injury happened more often when a child was sick. They SAW the evidence that the bacterial biome made the difference in how toddlers reacted to vaccines. But they never seemed to care what that truly meant.

WE CANT SEE WHAT IS GOING ON BACTERIALLY IN EACH CHILD. The immune system is the bacteria. When a child is clearly symptomatic of a taxed biome, with runny nose, fever, it is risky to assault this system with the vaccine ingredients. But we can’t see what the right combination of bacteria is to sustain zero vaccine injuries. It appears that some children can, as far as we know, suffer no ill effects from vaccines. Some do not. The differences may one day be evident scientifically, when we can do some kind of scan for a decent snapshot of the bacterial families making up the child at that moment in time. But they are not, now.

Maybe one child would be neurologically affected by vaccines at his doctor’s appointment Tuesday, but if he ate fermented foods and cold rice or potatoes at his meals that week and changed his appt to Friday, he would be ok. We just don’t know. Is there one bacteria that is especially protective? Is there one that is often present when vaccines harm? WE DONT KNOW.

At this point pushing all the vaccines onto every child is like making your child choose from a bowl of candies where a few are filled with deadly poison.

There is zero curiosity among “well behaved doctors” to figure this truth out. Instead, they all to a person blindly, religiously push that all vaccines are safe for all children. The government has removed ALL LIABILITY laws from only one of the infinite products sold in the USA. Vaccines. The government takes on the risk instead, and puts a zillion smart attorneys to work fighting all lawsuits. Only the most obvious, quickest, dramatic vaccine injury cases win, and even some of them don’t. Still, the government pays out millions for those few cases.

The public is fooled just like we are fooled by worthless liberal do-gooder policies that childhood illnesses are more fearful than vaccines.

I blindly believed all medicine when I had my first child. Brought him in for the vaccines as a tiny infant. I had scientific background but yet I blindly ignored the dissonance of keeping most of his environment healthy and protecting him from danger, yet bringing him in for those needles filled with 1950s concoctions. He will always be a genius but he will always have a hard life due to autism. Life is much harder for him.

My second child had vaccines at 5. No neurological problems. Third child born with genetic differences and allergies that precluded vaccines even by typical pediatricians. Fourth child also no vaccines. Only one of the four was sick with ear infections and bronchitis and such all the time in his early years. The vaccinated one.


25 posted on 11/12/2016 8:13:54 AM PST by Yaelle
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My daughter was basically unvaccinated. I did get the first two vaccinations when she was about three mos and six mos. My perfectly healthy and happy baby became violently ill after the first shot (this was in 1973 so she got just one vaccination, they weren’t overvaccinating them at that time). But I didn’t get the hint until the second vaccination when she again became quite ill.

She never had another vaccination. While all her friends were constantly sick all the time, she never, not once, had any childhood illness.

I will tell you, the brainwashing and fear-mongering from the doctors is astounding. One must be very strong to counter them.

I fostered a newborn for nine months. The mother told me she didn’t want the baby vaccinated. I took the baby in for well visits and when the doctor wanted to vaccinate I told her the mother didn’t want vaccination and I was just the foster mother so didn’t have authority. The doctor and her assistants hammered me in an attempt to try to make me vaccinate that baby. I’ve never seen anything like it. If I had been the baby’s actual mother, I’m not sure what I’d have done and they might very well have told me not to come back. As it was, they told me to go ahead and vaccinate the baby anyway, having no problem telling me just to do it anyway and not tell the mother.

Eye opening.


38 posted on 11/12/2016 9:33:19 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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I always brought my kids in at least 2 months late to give them more weight and growth - to reduce the odds of a reaction.


40 posted on 11/12/2016 9:49:09 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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16 yr old healthy non sexually active grand daughter was given Gardasil by her uninformed mom on Pediatrician’s recommendation. She now has Fibromyalgia and Rheumatoid Arthritis which leads to a wheel chair. Promising Ribbon Gymnast, in to all kinds of sports and activities. Now there are days she can barely go to school. And the drugs for both are HORRID side effect riddled killers. Japan and Spain have banned Gardasil.

Go back to the DPT shots, my boys reacted to the whooping cough part, they ended up taking half doses or their leg the shot was given in would paralyze for several weeks.


44 posted on 11/12/2016 11:06:27 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: A politician that won't keep his word to Veterans/Military won't keep them to You!)
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Review the material at "Children of Life For God":
https://cogforlife.org
 
https://cogforlife.org/vaccine-overview/
 
https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf
 
https://cogforlife.org/vaccineschedulecdc.pdf
 
etc etc etc
Do not give your family anything with aborted human fetal tissue.
 
In fact, beyond Polio and maybe Hep B and Tetanus, NONE of these vaccinations are necessary - in general, diseases like measles & mumps & chicken pox are just nuisances, not [in general] anywhere close to life-threatening.
 

46 posted on 11/12/2016 11:34:06 AM PST by NC_Gravely
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Would be interested in hearing from others in this forum who have chosen not to vaccinate their children.

NYer, metmom manages the Homeschool Ping List here on FR. She and others on the list may have well-developed insights on the question of immunizations.

47 posted on 11/12/2016 11:44:43 AM PST by aposiopetic
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Certainly sounds like there are some complex trade-offs here. Maybe a good mother’s instinct, informed by the best scientific medical advice she can get, is the best guide.

The best protocol for a child today might not even be the best one for that child if it lived 20 years later too, as medical science keeps on developing. If political interference/collusion with the pharma industry wanes, maybe science will address some of these concerns effectively. I’d never want to do without modern medicine as a whole. Things that could be agonizing or crippling or deadly have been reduced to mere nuisances.


50 posted on 11/12/2016 11:49:21 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Oh, dear, not more anti-vax hooey.

There is NO evidence that vaccines cause any sort of neurological problem. There is NO physical mechanism that can link a vaccine to the nervous system.

I find that anti-vax fear-mongers count on their targets to know little or nothing about vaccines or the immune system.

The fact is that kids are exposed to countless thousands of microorganisms every day, and their immune systems respond more than adequately. Adding another handful of antigens to that dose of thousands that a child is already exposed to on a daily basis is scarcely a burden on the immune system. Or, to put it this way: you are on the way home from the pediatrician after your child receives three vaccines. Your child finds an attractive rock on the ground and pops it into his mouth before you can stop him. How many antigens do you think your kid ingested with the rock, versus received with the vaccines?

That “study” that allegedly showed that MMR vaccine causes autism was pure fraud motivated by greed, and was debunked years ago. Substituting vague neurological issues for autism and generalizing the supposed harm to occur from vaccines rather than the MMR vaccine specifically does not make the claim any more plausible than when that fraud published his fake study over a decade ago. There is no mechanism by which vaccines can act on the brain to cause brain damage. For one thing, they are not injected into the brain, but into muscle in the arm, or can be given orally or nasally. The body reacts to vaccines just like it does any other protein: it immediately begins to destroy them. One challenge with vaccination is to stabilize the proteins long enough for the body to mount an immune response.

The immune response itself does not cause brain damage. If it did, every child would be brain damaged. The fact is that conditions such as ADHD, autism, mental retardation, schizophrenia, etc., etc., are caused by complex genetics, through the interactions of networks of variant genes. No child’s genetic profile can be changed by vaccines administered months or years after the original sperm and egg fused to form the child’s genome. Vaccines cannot travel through time.

Last, the fact that people can get sick even if they have been vaccinated is not “proof” that vaccines do not work. People get sick when they have been exposed to a threshold number of pathogenic microorganisms, normally called the “infectious dose.” If the normal infectious dose is 100,000 organisms, the vaccine might increase it to 1,000,000 organisms. Thus, the vaccinated person does have increased resistance to the disease because of the vaccine, but still can get the disease with a high enough exposure. With rabies, for example, the disease is so deadly that even if you have been vaccinated and you are exposed through a rabid animal bite, you still have to be treated for rabies. With other diseases, the fact that you have been vaccinated will decrease the severity of the disease and decrease the possibility of lifelong disability resulting from the disease.

Infectious diseases are killers, and can leave survivors profoundly impaired. This is why vaccines were invented, and why they remain an integral part of health management.


59 posted on 11/12/2016 1:36:06 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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I have a good friend who supports your views. She recommends having the vaccines done individually and not all at once. Including ie - MMR- to have that split to 3 separate vaccines on different days.


60 posted on 11/12/2016 1:49:18 PM PST by HollyB
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My youngest was not vaccinated until age 3-1/2.

Probably would have skipped most of them but my ex-, who had seemed equally against vaccination during the time we were married, did a 180 during the child custody battle. There are legal strategies to preserve philosophical vaccine exemptions (see: Alan Phillips, JD) but I am not sure how effective they are.

Any vaccination before age 3 is risky - blood-brain barrier development is the primary issue I think. If the child is breastfed and fed a proper diet free of trash and sugar, he should for the most part have no issue recovering from these illnesses during this time.

I do mostly alternative medicine and the MD who I consult with annually never vaccinated his youngest.


61 posted on 11/12/2016 2:31:58 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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When my kids were little, they were vaccinated because I trusted the doctors. Not sure what I would do if I had to do it over again.

I don’t have a strong absolute opinion for or against, because I can see arguments on both sides, but I will say this:

DO NOT get a boatload of vaccinations all at once. If you do decide to vaccinate, don’t get the multi-disease versions. Get one at a time and spread them out over time.


68 posted on 11/12/2016 5:21:17 PM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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