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One juror questions impartiality of another juror during deliberations....(OREGON STANDOFF TRIAL)
OregonLive ^ | 10/25/2016 | Maxine Bernstein

Posted on 10/26/2016 4:02:08 AM PDT by Nextrush

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To: longtermmemmory

Thanks, didn’t know that! I’ll look that up!!


21 posted on 10/26/2016 5:44:27 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Nextrush

 ...and possession of guns in a federal facility....

The U.S. and States are corporately owned by the People.
A regulation exists that says possession of firearms on property owned by the People is a prosecutable crime. The Supreme Law of the Land says ‘shall not be infringed’.

“Who made you king? I didn’t vote for you!”

Grrrrrrr!


22 posted on 10/26/2016 5:50:46 AM PDT by dasboot (GOV POLICY: From each according to our needs; to each according to our needs.)
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To: Afterguard

“Perhaps he/she is a govt plant, just like the FBI plants that were in on the occupation itself?”

Did you read where one of the plants was running the shooting range. And apparently they paraded a bunch of firearms in front of the jury, and come to find out a bunch of people hose firearms were the ones the plants brought in.

We truly are in big trouble when this kind of stuff is allowed to stand in a court of law. And couple this with the constitution being stricken and we have what you noted....a govt to fear.

Also have you read any comments at the oregonlive website? Boy those people are certainly not my countrymen.


23 posted on 10/26/2016 5:56:42 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Nextrush

Update: reported in NYT, WAPO that Judge Brown has ruled that the juror who said he was very biased isn’t biased, and will stay on the jury.


24 posted on 10/26/2016 5:56:47 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: marktwain
Maybe this guy was fired by BLM and holds a grudge? Who knows, if he admitted during the jury questioning that he was an ex-BLM employee and the defense didn't want him on the jury, I would think the defense lawyers could have him excused for cause, not using one of their limited peremptory challenges. If the defense wasn't allowed to dismiss for cause, that would be grounds for appeal, and would probably result in a reversal in case of a conviction.

Now, if the guy admitted he's biased in the jury room, he could be sanctioned for lying during voir dire. If the defense thinks he's biased against their case, they might not want a retrial as they think the rest of the jury might result in an aquittal. Retrials are expensive, the prosecutors don't care they have all the money they need. Defense has to be paid.

25 posted on 10/26/2016 5:57:05 AM PDT by sharkhawk (GO CUBS GO)
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To: wastoute

...The defense attorney should not have had to. The JUDGE should have sent this guy off to some other jury...

,he defense attorneys should have asked the former BLM employee if be could be impartial based on his former employer. If he had said yes, then it would be a are you lying now, or were you lying then situation.

But, bottom line, the attorneys blew it by not excusing him from the pool.

There’s a reason why cops, Investigators, lawyers, and former employees like this don’t usually get on the jury. It’s the lawyers fault completely.

Some of the times judges excuse a person are when a potential juror is OPENLY biased by making a statement, when a person knows or is a relative of a party is a Felon, or says they are incapable of rendering a verdict.

The attorneys can excuse a certain number of potential jurors and not give any reason.


26 posted on 10/26/2016 6:04:16 AM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prison 2016)
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To: Nextrush

yep


27 posted on 10/26/2016 6:10:20 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Sasparilla

I am aware of all that but the bottom line is the Judge should not have allowed this juror to be on this jury. Period. No excuse.


28 posted on 10/26/2016 6:11:24 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Sasparilla
The JUDGE should have sent this guy off to some other jury...

The one time I was called for federal jury duty, part of voir dire was questioning the jury pool if they had any direct or familial connection to the federal goverment (I did, my ex-wife had clerked for the DOJ). That alone was enough to exclude me without either the defense or prosecution having to use a challenge. It is unfathomable that a former BLM employee made it past voir dire unless that process was severely tainted.

29 posted on 10/26/2016 6:11:38 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: visualops

These things happen...

I was an expert witness on a several million dollar civil trial.

My first cousin who I grew up with and whose wife was my secretary was on the jury.

I was provided the prospective jury list and fully disclosed the relationship. Our last names were even the same.

Much to my surprise, when I walked into the court room to testify, there he was on the jury. Needless to say, my client, the plaintiff won the case... The defendant was a large insurance company who was trying to cheat my client out of a legitimate property loss claim.


30 posted on 10/26/2016 6:24:04 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Chewbarkah

After hearing a juror say they are biased and they then return to the deliberating jury after talking to the judge, it would make me vote to acquit whether I personally thought the accused was guilty or not.

It’s about the process. If you can’t get a “fair” deliberation there is no justice. If the judge allows a juror who expressed their bias to the rest of the Jury to remain and taint it, it’s a miscarriage of justice.


31 posted on 10/26/2016 6:25:19 AM PDT by VRWCarea51 (The Original 1998 Version)
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To: Nextrush
To have allowed a person who worked for the Bureau of Land Management to be a juror in this trial was wrong from the beginning.

Seems like a goof-up on the part of the defense attorney.

32 posted on 10/26/2016 6:30:55 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: Nextrush

Mistrial


33 posted on 10/26/2016 6:37:03 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Nextrush

This is a trial with a forgone conclusion. Fixed, predetermined as in hillary clinton’s email (non)investigation.


34 posted on 10/26/2016 7:32:02 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (APPEASEMENT NEVER WORKS.)
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To: Nextrush

How the heck did the defense allow this guy anywhere near the jury?


35 posted on 10/26/2016 8:50:00 AM PDT by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: walkingdead
This bias juror will be allowed to sfay so the fedgov can get what it wants.

And the whistle blower will be sent packing.

36 posted on 10/26/2016 9:28:15 AM PDT by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: tired&retired

It is interesting to see attorneys at work in voir dire. They will do everything from ask seemingly unrelated questions to bore you to death. But I know some of that is to watch the reactions of prospective jurors (i.e. will you get bored by details and not pay attention etc). The last case was dui manslaughter and they ended up with mostly men and I felt the defense was going for 2 things- people who drank who would be sympathetic, and men who would understand the technicalities of the defense’s argument. Result: guilty (and an acquaintance in the DA’s office told me they felt they could lose the case).


37 posted on 10/27/2016 4:29:21 AM PDT by visualops (It's the majority of the American people and Trump against the enemies of the republic - Windflier)
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