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Nations, Fighting Powerful Refrigerant That Warms Planet, Reach Landmark Deal
NY Times ^ | OCT. 15, 2016 | CORAL DAVENPORT

Posted on 10/14/2016 10:26:17 PM PDT by justlittleoleme

Negotiators from more than 170 countries on Saturday reached a legally binding accord to counter climate change by cutting the worldwide use of a powerful planet-warming chemical used in air-conditioners and refrigerators.

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While the Paris agreement included pledges by nearly every country to cut emissions of heat-trapping carbon dioxide from the fossil fuels that power vehicles, electric plants and factories, the new Kigali deal has a single target: chemical coolants called hydrofluorocarbons, or HFCs, used in air-conditioners and refrigerators.

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And while the Paris pledges are broad, they are also voluntary, often vague and dependent on the political will of future world leaders. In contrast, the Kigali deal includes specific targets and timetables to replace HFCs with more planet-friendly alternatives, trade sanctions to punish scofflaws, and an agreement by rich countries to help finance the transition of poor countries to the costlier replacement products.

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The deal came about in part because President Obama, as he sought to build a legacy of tackling climate change, elevated the obscure effort to amend the Montreal Protocol to a top White House priority. The final agreement is also consistent with Mr. Obama’s efforts to push his climate change agenda while using creative ways to bypass a hostile Congress.

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The final deal will divide the world economy into three tracks. The richest countries, including the United States and those in the European Union, will freeze the production and consumption of HFCs by 2018

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 0bama; 2018; airconditioning; china; climatechange; climatehoaxes; con; freeze; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; govtabuse; hfc; hfcs; junkscience; montrealprotocol; ozonehole
While everyone is paying attention to the election... this happens.. With the assistance of Chine killing the United States economy one step at at time.
1 posted on 10/14/2016 10:26:17 PM PDT by justlittleoleme
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To: justlittleoleme

Those refrigerants were banned because they attacked the ozone layer, not because they had anything to do with global warming.

Unless the increased UV rays have something to do with Arctic ice melting, or something. UV is stronger than regular light...


2 posted on 10/14/2016 10:33:32 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: justlittleoleme

Refrigerator manufacturers rejoice!

Now people are going to have to replace their perfectly good refrigerators with new ones.


3 posted on 10/14/2016 10:35:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: justlittleoleme

You know what. I’ve ####ing had it.

It’s time to get the bat out of the closet and start kicking ass and taking names if this sh.t of reporting garbage and bashing trump gives hillary the election.

I’be been told to choose my words carefully.

Here they are: #### you obama and clintons and jarrett and holder and kerry and times and huff and vox and salon and esquire and la times and ryan and mccain and whoever.

I tell Trump EVERY DAY in twitter to NOT CONCEDE. Fight every fraudulent vote and drag it on forever at whatever cost.

People here talking about not watching msm if she wins!! or teaching the republicans a lesson next time they vote!!

are you insane!?? If we dont to war with Russia by
the time hillary is elected, we damn sure will after she is, as well as have completely open borders and executive action on guns.

DONT CONCEDE NO MATTER WHAT!!!

I dont give a #### what government agency is monitoring these words.

They can #### my ####.

Got let go from an investment bank in my early 20s. I was crazy, dont blame them. Chilled out late 20s.

They sent FOUR guards to escort me off the premise.

I told them, “If i wanted to dance, you’d be about four guards short of what you’d need”

I’m NOT afraid, I DONT CARE about the personal consequences, HILLARY CANNOT STEP FOOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!


4 posted on 10/14/2016 10:36:56 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: justlittleoleme

The first change should be to eliminate air conditioning in all government buildings.


5 posted on 10/14/2016 10:41:48 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45

They will be exempt just like with Obamacare.


6 posted on 10/14/2016 10:44:28 PM PDT by funfan
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To: dp0622

with all those stairs how could she???


7 posted on 10/14/2016 10:49:16 PM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (10 rounds 10 meters 10 seconds 10 centimetres)
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To: MIA_eccl1212

lol


8 posted on 10/14/2016 10:50:56 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: VanShuyten

or maybe not - enough time has elapsed to show that it was more bogus baloney like AGW that ignores the sun’s impact on it all. So, what is the truth?

This from 20 years ago:
http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Ingles/Crista.html

The hole closed up over Antarctica:
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast12dec_1/


9 posted on 10/14/2016 10:55:01 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: justlittleoleme

When did the US Senate ratify this treaty? How is it legally binding on America without Senate approval? Or does Obama simply rule by decree??


10 posted on 10/14/2016 11:10:43 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: VanShuyten
Those refrigerants were banned because they attacked the ozone layer, not because they had anything to do with global warming.

Actually CFCs, chlorofluorocarbons are a different generation refrigerants that were banned to keep the “hole” in the ozone layer from increasing. They were replaced by HFCs, hydrofluorocarbons which the enviro-wackos are now claiming are “potent” greenhouse gasses. The “science” supporting their claims in both cases is dubious at best. It is now thought the “hole” in the ozone layer over the Antarctic is a phenomena that has occurred in the past and will continue to fluctuate in size in the future with or without chlorofluorocarbons. It is also a phenomena that is now thought to have little if any effect on people, animals, and plant life.

11 posted on 10/14/2016 11:11:11 PM PDT by fireman15 (The USA will be toast if the Democrats are able to take the Presidency in 2016)
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To: reg45

ESPECIALLY the Senate and House.


12 posted on 10/14/2016 11:11:59 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true .. and it pisses people off)
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To: justlittleoleme

Maybe the leos in fedgubb who Re dirty cops will take matters into their own hands. They are the only ones in position to apprehend the bad actors in The white house.


13 posted on 10/14/2016 11:16:02 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: justlittleoleme

Not legally binding on U.S. without Congressional approval.


14 posted on 10/14/2016 11:18:35 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing

Unfortunately, the congress we’ve got seems to like being tied up and whipped.


15 posted on 10/14/2016 11:32:54 PM PDT by piasa
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To: reg45

Every govt building. Every single one.

They get a small desk fan. That’s it.


16 posted on 10/14/2016 11:33:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: justlittleoleme

Dow’s patent on HFCs must be ready to expire. I’m sure they have a replacement waiting in the wings just like they did before.


17 posted on 10/14/2016 11:41:09 PM PDT by zeugma (Welcome to the "interesting times" you were warned about.)
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To: zeugma

That’s a bingo.


18 posted on 10/14/2016 11:44:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: justlittleoleme

They want to get rid of the replacements for the CFCs, which were a non-problem in the first place as proven by the alleged problem vanishing much faster than their models predicted. Reagan got conned with the Montreal Treaty. That made everyone buy new ACs. Now they want you to buy a new AC again and have you run PROPANE as its coolant. So your house will burn down when there’s a leak and a spark. CFCs and HFCs were inert, no fire hazard. They want big places to go back a century and use AMMONIA as their AC coolant so we can have more bad chemical burns from that.


19 posted on 10/15/2016 12:05:37 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Changes)
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To: justlittleoleme

It’s too bad Kerry can’t spend the same effort to get 170 countries to agree to eradicate ISIS.


20 posted on 10/15/2016 1:01:02 AM PDT by cabojoe
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To: JohnBovenmyer

When the real question is, what chemical benefiting mankind will NOT ultimately end up on the list of BAD chemicals associated with the mythical, pseudo science, of global catastrophic warming?

The cost of compliance with government rules and regulations written by unelected bureaucrats will go down in history as the straw that bankrupted the public, unless state governments grow a pair and tell the bureaucrats we will not comply.


21 posted on 10/15/2016 1:05:59 AM PDT by wita (Always and forever, under oath in defense of Life, Liberty and. the pursuit of Happiness.)
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To: justlittleoleme

R12 was banned 30 years ago. The Ozone hole is the same size as it’s always been. But Freon went from 88 cents a can to $9 a can. The next iteration will be even higher.


22 posted on 10/15/2016 1:11:47 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: justlittleoleme
The Professor’s Lesson on HFO, HC Refrigerants

Next-gen Fluids Each Offer Unique Traits, Characteristics

http://www.achrnews.com/articles/128201-the-professors-lesson-on-hfo-hc-refrigerants

23 posted on 10/15/2016 2:41:10 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: zeugma

You got the issue spot on but it is DuPont, not Dow.


24 posted on 10/15/2016 2:59:39 AM PDT by mazda77 (The solution: Vote Trump)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
When did the US Senate ratify this treaty? How is it legally binding on America without Senate approval? Or does Obama simply rule by decree??
From the article:

Under the Montreal treaty, nations can amend the original accord to phase out substitute chemicals that also harm the environment, even if they do not affect the ozone layer.

That means the Kigali Amendment maintains the legal force of a treaty, even if that treaty was ratified by the Senate during the Reagan administration.

“It’s remarkable: This treaty that was designed for something quite different is now being used as a vehicle to address climate change,” said David Doniger, a lawyer with the Natural Resources Defense Council, an advocacy group.

25 posted on 10/15/2016 3:05:24 AM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: reg45

Yep. Put your skin where your mouth is...


26 posted on 10/15/2016 3:07:08 AM PDT by Paul R.
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To: dfwgator

Dupont rejoices.

https://eng.ucmerced.edu/people/awesterling/SPR2014.ESS141/Assignments/DuPont


27 posted on 10/15/2016 3:13:36 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: knarf

Haha - that reminds me of the Musical, 1776: The flies would sure come fast!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqAdlkJDt7k


28 posted on 10/15/2016 3:14:31 AM PDT by Paul R.
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To: Dilbert San Diego; kaehurowing
The Montreal Protocol was ratified in 1987 and Obama can commit to this Kigali agreement based on that.

The US ratified the UN Framework on Climate Change(UNFCCC) in 1992. Based on that ratification, Bill Clinton committed the US to the Kyoto Protocol, but GW Bush withdrew the US from the Kyoto Protocol.

Likewise, Obama committed the US to the Paris Agreement based on the 1992 UNFCCC ratification, but Trump has said he would withdraw the US from the Paris agreement. Or, if he wanted to, Trump could withdraw the US from the 1992 UNFCCC.

29 posted on 10/15/2016 3:22:23 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: fireman15

Of course your are correct, but none of that matters to the left. Facts just get in the way of the results they want. We will get tons more of this if Hillary is elected.


30 posted on 10/15/2016 3:29:44 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: dfwgator
Refrigerator manufacturers rejoice! Now people are going to have to replace their perfectly good refrigerators with new ones.

At a yard sale, I had a chance to buy a working refrigerator with SULFUR as the refrigerant. I saw it later at the town dump!

31 posted on 10/15/2016 3:50:02 AM PDT by Does so (Vote for Hillary...Stay Home...==8-O)
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To: WHBates

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a giant nuclear furnace that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


32 posted on 10/15/2016 4:31:32 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Dilbert San Diego

1. It’s not
2. It’s not
3. Yes


33 posted on 10/15/2016 4:37:24 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: zeugma
When the new patent runs out and after all the replacement refrigerators and air conditioners are running with it, the NEW refrigerant will be found to cause mutations in fire ants. This, of course, will cause world-wide turmoil, again, and a rush to replace it with a new patented product.

34 posted on 10/15/2016 5:08:34 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill TWITTER !! Kill FACEBOOK !! Free MILO !!)
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To: Bratch

Any amendment to a treaty must also be ratified or the amendment is moot. We can’t have post facto law, we can’t have post facto treaties that supersede the law. Let the litigation begin!


35 posted on 10/15/2016 5:08:36 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Paul R.
By GEORGE ! (oops)

That is a DAMNED good musical !

TERRIFIC association, Paul.

thanx

36 posted on 10/15/2016 5:12:02 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true .. and it pisses people off)
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To: knarf

Yes, I saw the original on stage in St. Louis as a teen. Loved it, and still do. The big guy who intones “Somebody ought to open up a windowwww...” (and then gets shouted down) was hilarious. The guy who played Adams was just great!


37 posted on 10/15/2016 5:52:02 AM PDT by Paul R.
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To: justlittleoleme

HFCs have a cooling effect on the planet


38 posted on 10/15/2016 6:29:31 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: justlittleoleme; VanShuyten; dfwgator; dp0622; reg45; funfan; MIA_eccl1212; Sioux-san; ...
...more than 170 countries on Saturday reached a legally binding accord to counter climate change by cutting the worldwide use of a powerful planet-warming chemical... -snip- ...the Kigali deal includes ... an agreement by rich countries to help finance the transition of poor countries ...

President Trump needs to make it very clear with a declaration to the U.N. that all "legally binding accords" that Obama agreed to, but Congress did not ratify, constitute treaties that are immediately null and void.

Not only that, but "legally binding"(?) to finance poor countries? That constitutes a GLOBAL TAX, with a permanent funding source for a one-world government!
39 posted on 10/15/2016 6:39:12 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (After BHO starts a nuclear war before November 8th and blames Russia, our MSM will back up his lies.)
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To: dfwgator

It’s called “Planned Obsolescence” in which things are made to not last so long forcing you to keep money moving in the economy by buying new items.
My folks bought a small air fan which lasted fifty eight years, a B&W TV which lasted 15 years, later a small air conditioner that lasted thirty eight years.

Now such items are lucky to last five years.

We were taught in high School, sixty years ago, that high dollar items were not designed to become obsolete to force you to buy newer items.

Yeah, Sure.


40 posted on 10/15/2016 7:17:24 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (She is an evil woman. Jezebel Athaliah Livia Drusilla Messalina Lucrezia Borgia Hillary Clinton)
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To: justlittleoleme
Do these cretins have ANY idea how retarded that oxymoron of a headline sounds? A "refrigerant that warms planet".

And I say that as a PhD in molecular physics.

41 posted on 10/15/2016 7:46:06 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: justlittleoleme

Busybodies, taking every opportunity to regulate our lives.


42 posted on 10/15/2016 7:54:13 AM PDT by wastedyears (precious bodily fluids)
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To: justlittleoleme
There is so much about this that bothers me. What is with this conference in Ghana in the middle of the election that we are just now hearing about? Even if HFCs are greenhouse gases, the handling of it is now tightly regulated. How much of it really gets out? What is the next red herring they are going to impose, and once that is done, what will they find wrong with it? We are supposed to blindly follow what the “experts” tell us, which we did 25 years ago, and now look. Are the experts going to pay to convert all this equipment? Or is the agenda really to eliminate refrigeration from common use? I suppose we don't need it: after all, Soylent keeps at room temperature.
43 posted on 10/15/2016 10:18:28 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: dp0622

Sing it! Great rant!

I love you but I am a very happily married women.

We can have coffee and I will tell you how great I think you are.


44 posted on 10/15/2016 10:20:06 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Allahu FUBAR.)
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To: justlittleoleme

May I suggest that the HVAC of the White House, Capital and Supreme court buildings be eliminated? I bet 90% of all CO2 emanates from there.

Problem solved.

5.56mm


45 posted on 10/15/2016 10:24:07 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: justlittleoleme

The broad from the EPA and John F’n Kerry: We’re going to save the world by preventing a rise in temperature of 1/2 degree C by the end of the century........


46 posted on 10/15/2016 11:58:57 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (If only Hillary had married OJ instead......)
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To: fireman15

Just a few years ago, Obama was paying people to switch to R410a. Now, they want to ban it. SMH.


47 posted on 10/15/2016 12:10:59 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Future Useless Eater
They are trying to sell this as an amendment to the already ratified (in Reagan era) Montreal Treaty, and permitted as an amendment under that and thus needing no further ratification. That can't be allowed to stand as a method of creating international law or the left will never try to ratify another treaty thru the Senate, they'll just get them endorsed by their globalist friends as amendments to whatever old agreement they chose to dredge up.
48 posted on 10/15/2016 1:32:27 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Changes)
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To: VanShuyten

You’re correct, Not only were CFC Freon products banned, but many chlorinated chemical solvents used to degrease electronic products.
the release of Halogens into the atmosphere have a direct depleteing effect on the Ozone layer.


49 posted on 03/08/2017 11:03:55 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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