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Next revolution will seek to overthrow the privileges of nationhood
The Guardian ^ | 9/19/16 | Robert Shiller

Posted on 09/23/2016 7:19:24 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck

For the past several centuries, the world has experienced a sequence of intellectual revolutions against oppression of one sort or another. These rebellions operate in the minds of humans and are spread eventually to most of the world, not by war, which tends to involve multiple causes, but by language and communications technology. Ultimately, the ideas they advance, unlike the causes of war, become noncontroversial.

The next such revolution, likely to occur in the 21st century, will challenge the economic implications of the nation state. It will focus on the injustice that follows from the fact that, entirely by chance, some are born in poor countries and others in rich countries. As more people work for multinational firms and get to know more people from other countries, our sense of justice is being affected.

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TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: globalism; nationalism
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The next revolution will not abolish the consequences of place of birth, but the privileges of nationhood will be tempered. While the rise in anti-immigrant sentiment around the world seems to point in the opposite direction, the sense of injustice will be amplified as communications continue to grow. Ultimately, recognition of wrong will wreak big changes.

For now, this recognition faces strong competition from patriotic impulses, rooted in a social contract among nationals who have paid taxes over the years or performed military service to build or defend what they saw as exclusively theirs. Allowing unlimited immigration would seem to violate this contract.

It's rare to have an advocate of internationalism state his ideological goals so brazenly and nakedly, but there you have it.

The most important ideological struggle today is no longer about capitalism vs. socialism. It is between patriots who believe in the sovereign nation-state versus internationalists who want to replace the nation-state with transnational bureaucratic and financial institutions. To a great extent the internationalists have already achieved many of their aims through liberal immigration policy - i.e. they eliminate "the privilege of national birth" (how long until this becomes a favorite buzz-phrase among the elites?) by bringing the Third World to the First. Our corporations and financial institutions are increasingly untethered from the nation-state as well through "free trade" and the sale of national debt to foreign countries.

This election is in many ways about whether these trends will continue, or whether we can secure the survival of national sovereignty.

1 posted on 09/23/2016 7:19:24 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

The problem with these internationalist government ideas is that, like national empires of old, they become too big, and smaller parts start to break away, renewing the cycle.


2 posted on 09/23/2016 7:21:47 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ek_hornbeck
The next revolution will not abolish the consequences of place of birth,

Let's change this to "The next revolution will not abolish the consequences of to whom you are born."

3 posted on 09/23/2016 7:22:41 AM PDT by henkster (Democrats want to keep blacks on the plantation and whites on the collective farm.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Behavior has consequences, America WAS America due to its ethics and behavior. Why is Mexico what it is and we across one border are something else? Behavior and governments made a difference.


4 posted on 09/23/2016 7:23:22 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Does it include all rights to tax? Or more likely just to place taxation into the hands of a very few and reducing the rest of mankind to a slave class.


5 posted on 09/23/2016 7:24:14 AM PDT by reed13k
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To: Pearls Before Swine

The real problem with the international government is the fact that people half a world away cannot be relied on to participate as a member of your local society.

There are events in which the community must act together, otherwise it (and the people therein) may perish. People band together to accomplish what the individual cannot. The left is working to use this fact for their benefit, to the huge detriment of everyone else (witness the out-of-state characters rioting in Charlotte).


6 posted on 09/23/2016 7:25:41 AM PDT by MortMan (Let's call the push for amnesty what it is: Pedrophilia.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

You are correct - the global statists rarely come out and declare their goals.

BUT, without any pushback, or recognition and demand for self-identity by cultures or peoples, particularly of the West, this is the direction the world is heading. It is propelled by technology and above all, materialism.

It will be a dreary, collectivist, regression to the lowest-common-denominator sort of thing, with centuries of violence as this globalist force seeks to extinguish distinct peoples, their cultures and their rights.


7 posted on 09/23/2016 7:27:09 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: reed13k

It would be like the Old South all over again, where slavery abounds and slave owners make the rules. Just like the Democratic Party


8 posted on 09/23/2016 7:27:25 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: A CA Guy

Globalists make the assumption that culture and nationalisty doesn’t matter and that people are interchangeable. According to them, you can swap a million Americans with a million Guatemalans or Sudanese and it won’t make any difference. That isn’t the way the world works (which is why towns on the southern US border are America’s poorest zip codes per capita), but utopian ideologues never let reality get in the way of their “perfect” orders.


9 posted on 09/23/2016 7:27:41 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck; Publius
This is Something out of "Atlas Shrugged"


10 posted on 09/23/2016 7:27:46 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Never Killary!)
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To: ek_hornbeck

To hell with the Peace of Westphalia! /s


11 posted on 09/23/2016 7:29:10 AM PDT by gasport (Live and Let Live)
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To: reed13k
Does it include all rights to tax? Or more likely just to place taxation into the hands of a very few and reducing the rest of mankind to a slave class.

Globalists, at least the intelligent ones, know that their model won't bring prosperity to the Third World, it will just bring poverty to the First. And that's exactly what they want. A strong middle class with self-reliant individuals is as dangerous to them as a strong sovereign nation-state. People in slums are much easier to rule.

12 posted on 09/23/2016 7:30:43 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: A CA Guy

America was what it was because of adherence to the Rule of Law. Without that, we would have been any other outhouse banana republic. Now that the concept of Rule of Law is dead, we are going to be just another piece of the world-wide outhouse banana dictatorship. The ruling one-tenth of one percent will be the hereditary aristocracy, the top 10% will fight over being in the educated “scribe” status where they manage the wealth but are not allowed to own it. At the bottom is “the rest.” We are to be content with our ration of food, housing, energy and officially approved entertainment. Maybe we get the illusion of political choice.

Maybe not.


13 posted on 09/23/2016 7:33:31 AM PDT by henkster (Democrats want to keep blacks on the plantation and whites on the collective farm.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

The bloody irony of this Procrustean egalitarianism is that the oppression necessary to enforce it is far worse than the natural inequities it purports to overcome.


14 posted on 09/23/2016 7:33:55 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: ek_hornbeck

Oh no, “internationalism” and globalism are on the ropes, to be crushed under the marching feet of us “deplorables”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t5WhAa83vQ


15 posted on 09/23/2016 7:33:56 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: A CA Guy
entirely by chance

As you say chance has nothing to do with it.

16 posted on 09/23/2016 7:35:20 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: ek_hornbeck
But do not allow the crackpot ideologues to wallow in the pretense that what their neurotic compulsion seeks is actually "utopian." They are in a blatant war with reality--something they would love to legislate out of existence.

Compassion Or Compulsion.

17 posted on 09/23/2016 7:37:10 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“The problem with these internationalist government ideas is that, like national empires of old, they become too big, and smaller parts start to break away, renewing the cycle.”

And that is underway now. Basically the Post WWII order was Wilsonian, a primitive globalism. The Cold War complicated that simplicity, but not as much as it seemed at the time.

Now, thankfully, the imbecilic Post WWII order is finally falling apart even in the once prosperous West. It began with the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union.

The globalists must be held accountable for their crimes in the aftermath. Than includes the un, the world court, etc. No one was guarding the guards. The Nuremberg tribunals are precedent for holding them accountable even in the absence of statutes.


18 posted on 09/23/2016 7:39:39 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (One party feigns virtue, the other flaunts its corruption. May God reward both as they deserve.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Ah, the Guardian still harbours those dreams of the Communist International.


19 posted on 09/23/2016 7:40:37 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Let’s just overthrow these oligarch basterds...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbEu-OLMKLQ


20 posted on 09/23/2016 7:41:18 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui (Smarter - Faster)
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