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The Fall of Rome-Are there Lessons to be Learned?
American Minute with Bill Federer ^ | by Bill Federer

Posted on 09/04/2016 4:18:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

Two things Rome didn’t have:

1) the U.S. Constitution

2) the Lord of Creation


21 posted on 09/04/2016 5:03:09 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Jim Robinson

Welfare is used to buy goods advertised in the media: TV, internet, papers.
So a percentage of all our welfare goes into the pockets of the media, which entertains the masses.
It’s a textbook “Bread and Circus”.

The great danger of the “Bread and Circus” is that the media will support the government that expands this scheme, and oppose those that won’t.
It’s a ratchet-effect that constantly increases this drain on the economy.
The Founders assumed a varied and disparate media would not be able to coerce money from the public funds, but national TV networks (which they never foresaw) can and do.

For a start we can require ala carte cable programming to increase the media consumer’s power, and remove anti-First Amendment licensing requirements.


22 posted on 09/04/2016 5:04:36 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: goldstategop
"Today, the West is in decline. What might replace it cannot yet be foreseen."

If Obama has his way, it will be replaced by a Muslim Caliphate that will rule over a polyglot country of many factions and languages.

23 posted on 09/04/2016 5:06:05 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Jim Robinson

Excellent article. Thank you for sharing it.

Worthy of being printed to hard copy for my future reference file.


24 posted on 09/04/2016 5:10:14 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

For the incredible story of how 20,000 Roman soldiers were defeated by Germanic forces in a forest, check out this YouTube documentary.

Ancient Black Ops - The Ghost Warriors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki_Woxuzwss


25 posted on 09/04/2016 5:16:04 PM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: Jim Robinson

are there Lessons to be Learned?


At this stage of the game what are our choices? Germans with eyes to see in the 30’s had the following options:

1) Join

2) stand up and get shot

3) Go underground and resist and your friends were shot.

4) Leave, but where are you going to go?

5) Survive for the rebuilding.

A “tragedy” is a play where the characters do themselves in in spite of themselves. I think the article outlines a tragedy.

I do not mean to sound negative. We may slow the process down with Reagan or Trump but in the end, a reboot may be the only cure for the current tragedy.

But I do believe that Trump may be the most gentle reboot (revolution) option we have. But there is still hell to pay for all the prior bad decisions.............


26 posted on 09/04/2016 5:16:55 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yet Gibbon’s famous “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” cited Christianity as a negative, saying that it caused Roman men to lose their martial spirit and to stop going into the legions. “Christianity and Barbarism,” is how he put it.


27 posted on 09/04/2016 5:21:06 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Jim Robinson
Marcus Tullius Cicero:

"The evil was not in bread and circuses, per se, but in the willingness of the people to sell their rights as free men for full bellies and the excitement of games which would serve to distract them from the other human hungers which bread and circuses can never appease."

IOW, the price of liberty: Budweiser, The NFL, and FREE STUFF.

28 posted on 09/04/2016 5:22:45 PM PDT by HangUpNow
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To: reasonisfaith; Jim Robinson

But you have to have the moral “intention” to follow both.

If your socialist “morals” OPPOSE viciously both of those ... what do you do? Fight them in the courts, in the public opinion, and in the classroom (er, propaganda indoctrination) of a child’s daily life.


29 posted on 09/04/2016 5:24:17 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Declining patriotism? Check.
Debasing of currency? Check.
Politicians giving away free stuff for votes? Check.
Wildly unchecked government spending? Check.


30 posted on 09/04/2016 5:24:18 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: Jim Robinson

The good webmaster has distilled many of the same thought as I have. We are a witness to history going down a repeat path.


31 posted on 09/04/2016 5:28:26 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: Jim Robinson

Mr. Robinson...I have been studying the fall of Rome for about 15 years.

IMHO...we are mirroring them. Of course, most of the west is as well.


32 posted on 09/04/2016 5:29:16 PM PDT by berdie (#No Hill/bern)
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To: Jim Robinson

We can’t fall. Our postage stamps say “Forever” on them.


33 posted on 09/04/2016 5:43:59 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: Jim Robinson
This is a pretty good list. However, America isn't that similar to Rome. There's 2 types of empires: Sea Empires and Land Empires. Sparta was a land empire and Athens a sea empire. Rome was a land empire and Carthage was a sea empire. American like Britain before it is a sea empire. Russia and China are land empires.

This distinction is important because Sea Empires and Land Empires grow and die in very different manners.

Land Empires tend to take hundreds of years to become powerful and slow build the empire. They can take massive blows and recover and their fall tends to be gradual with many small recoveries.

Sea Empires tend to become empires very quickly as with America in 1945(We went from controlling America to half the world in 4 years) and tend to fall just as quickly after a sudden shock to the system WW2 for England or Athens with the Sicilian Expedition.

It's likely that America's fall will be just as sudden as most sea empires. A year or 2 of a bad war and everything will come crashing down. Hillary is a likely candidate to get us into such a war. However, there is room for hope.

Sea Empires have an easier time reforming themselves with strong leadership than land empire do. Also there have been cases of sea empires become land empires (Carthage is a good example of this). With the right leadership we might be able to switch to a land empire and last much longer.

34 posted on 09/04/2016 6:05:52 PM PDT by RedWulf (Trump:Front Lines. Obama: Back Nine. Hillary:Nap Time.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Grab a joint and chill man.


35 posted on 09/04/2016 6:11:39 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you very,very much and forwarded!


36 posted on 09/04/2016 6:15:35 PM PDT by lizma2
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To: Larry Lucido

Thanks Larry Lucido.


37 posted on 09/04/2016 6:59:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (He wins & we do, our nation does, the world does. It's morning in America again. You are living it!)
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To: Jim Robinson

ping for later


38 posted on 09/04/2016 7:02:34 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Jim Robinson

Fall of Rome bump for later....


39 posted on 09/04/2016 7:26:47 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: Jim Robinson

Great article. Thanks.


40 posted on 09/04/2016 7:38:08 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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