or maybe spontaneous combustion
As an active member of The Gideons International, it offends me when someone or some group is offended by the presence of God’s Word. Time to pray. 1st Samuel 17:47 “...for the battle is the Lord’s...”
Matthew 10:33: “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.”
Eternity is a long time, atheists - you might want to reconsider your position while there’s still time.
Everyone has the right to read, or not to, the Bible left in every hotel, motel, motor inn across America.
This CRAP about forceful removal of them by ANY organization through a littigious act, is CENSORSHIP, and attempting to be the NANNY.
I have seen the bible in places of lodging all across America, in all of my travels, from a young GI brat in the ‘60’s, to the days I lived in a motel until Hurricane Katrina in 2005.
The one fact that the idiots seeking to be the NANNY have conveniently overlooked, is that folks DIED, so other folks might HAVE A CHOICE OF WHAT TO BELIEVE.
It’s called FREEDOM.
He invokes the atheist organization's lack of logic for wanting to remove the Bibles.
Hey Todd......these people want Christianity destroyed and Christians DEAD.
They're not illogical. They know EXACTLY what they're doing.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation is trying to lead the world into chaos, whether they know it or not, whether you know it or not.
“...the presence of the Bible in the room amounts to proselytizing.”
So WHAT?
Why do they care if someone converts to follow any religion? It is none of their business. Unless they are truly inspired by Satan.
“Providing Bibles to Inn guests sends the message that ASU endorses the religious texts,” ...
And might not Christians be disturbed at the absence of signs of God’s lordship and fear spontaneous conversion to atheism?
The television shows shown in the inn rooms by and large are bent on eliminate God’s dominion and glory from our view. There are no pictures of the Lord of the universe and of all creation on the wall or crucifixes around reminding us of His ultimate sacrifice demonstrating the depths of His love. There are no declarations of thanksgiving written on the napkins.
By the absence of God’s glory in the there is a huge disparate proportion of atheism present in the hotels presently!
Do they ban religious tv channels as well?
Typical Atheists - “There is no God and I HATE Him.”
Why/how would simple exposure to something you know in your heart to be complete poppy-cock make you spontaneously believe in it?
I am surprised they don’t want churches to remove crosses that can be seen from the street. Or is that next?
uhh....that’s kinda the point
No problem. Most rooms have a night stand or table. Put all the small amount of books on the table or night stand. And put the bible in the night stand drawer and mark it bible inside. Atheists, that drawer is not to be touched by you.
Then the only thing seen by anyone that offends is the atheist.
Or, remove the bible from certain rooms. People pay for different types of rooms like those with views or close to the pool or beach, or a kitchenette. Or even special services like laundry or dry cleaning. Make them pay for those where the bible was removed. Then their wishes will be full filled and they can be assured they won’t be offended by a book that they are paying to be removed. They got the service they requested.
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I checked into a hotel and found a Gideon Bible in the night stand. I had to extend my stay by a week because I was forced to read the whole thing.
I was just getting ready to leave when my eye fell upon the telephone directory.
I may never get out of here.
Free Speech/Defenders of the First Amendment like to say the remedy for “bad” speech is not to suppress it but to engage in “good” speech (presumably to counter the bad speech with their better ideas).
This argument postulates a competition in the marketplace of ideas. Although, to be honest, a frequent strategy is to simply drown out the offending argument by the sheer volume of the protestations against it.
The demand to remove the Gideon Bibles more than suppression of free speech. It seeks to destroy the market place for the competition of ideas. In fact, by prohibiting religious ideas/concepts in public forums, the impression is created that they are somehow unfit for the public to hear or read. By this action, the anti-religious perspective is silently endorsed as policy. It is de facto enforcement of atheism under the guise of not offending any group’s sensibilities or sensitivities.
The facility merely is making access to the speech available. It is not endorsing the speech nor is it compelling any guest (or, in this case, the worker) to read it. It does not expend any funds to purchase or maintain the books. Its “endorsement” is on par with its endorsement of the tourist attractions whose pamphlets are on display in the facility lobby or posted in the hotel room.
If tourist attraction “X” has objections to tourist attraction “Y,” does it follow that X has the constitutional right to demand removal of Y’s promotional literature from the facility?
No. The proper counter to the placement of the bibles is placing of tracts concerning other religions or atheist literature at the same locations with no expense to the facility.
Therefore, let no favoritism be shown to the offended party through a court ruling. Instead, let them raise the necessary funds, print the materials, create the necessary volunteer organization(s), and then place their literature in every place where they wish their message to be available. In other words let the marketplace decide.
And let them sustain the effort voluntarily, just as the Gideons have since 1908.
Or, alternatively, let the precious little snowflakes do what every other consumer in the marketplace has long since learned to do: ignore those things that have no appeal to them or are of no interest.
Here’s the power of that Bible sitting in a hotel room (true story):
In a small Indiana town, a small group of local Gideons met on a Saturday morning to share breakfast and pray, prior to visiting local motels and distributing Bibles in them. The Gideon in charge of the distribution went to a local motel, where he knew there weren’t any Bibles in their rooms. The owner, a lady, was there, and she turned down his request to put a Bible in each room. He thanked her and left.
The next Saturday, he was driving into town, saw the motel, and stopped by to see if the owner had reconsidered. Again, she said no. He thanked her and left.
The following Saturday the Gideon was home doing chores. He heard God telling him to go to town. Repeatedly. And with no further instructions than “Go to town,” he stopped doing his chores and drove into town. Doing so, he came upon the motel, and knew that is why he was there. So he presented himself to the owner, once again. And she replied, “You’re pretty persistent, aren’t you? Tell you what: I have 33 rooms here. If you can put a Bible in each one of them, right now, then OK.” He went to the trunk of his car, and found he had exactly 33 Bibles, which he placed in her motel rooms. That was Saturday morning.
Sunday evening a lady checked into the motel, with the help of the desk clerk.
Monday morning the lady approached the desk clerk, carrying something in each hand. She put her pistol on the counter (and had the desk clerk’s full attention). In her other hand she had the newly placed Gideon Bible from the motel room. She told the desk clerk, “You can have the pistol. I’m keeping the Bible. I came here last night to kill myself. But I was drawn to the nightstand in the room, where I found this Bible. I spent the entire night reading this Bible, and have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior. I don’t need the pistol anymore.”
Turns out the lady with the pistol was the sister of the owner of the motel.
God’s Word never returns void.
Monday morning,
Can they prove there is not a God? No?
Perhaps they should then stop acting like fanatics that believe only they know the truth.
It’s simple logic but that doesn’t matter in this modern age.
Well, they are perfectly welcome to pay for copies of Origin of the Species with their own freaking money, and attempt to get them placed in hotels. Good luck with that.