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ObamaCare’s insurance company bailout(Oldie but, relevant to current election)
New York Post ^ | January 27, 2014 | Betsy McCaughey

Posted on 08/18/2016 3:36:50 PM PDT by Vendome

January 27, 2014 |

http://nypost.com/2014/01/27/obamacares-insurance-company-bailout/

“...John Q Public is about to get clobbered again, thanks to a taxpayer bailout of the insurers written into the ObamaCare law.

Section 1342 of the Affordable Care Act forces taxpayers to make insurers whole for most of the losses they incur selling policies on the ObamaCare exchanges through 2016. The bailout is meant to hide the full failure of the president’s signature health law until after the next presidential election.”

“... insurers who opt not to participate in the exchanges can’t get bailouts and don’t get subsidies for their customers, so you won’t have the option of buying from them for long.”

Think about it. If the federal government gave out subsidies to buy only Ford cars and told Ford Motor Co. not to worry about pricing the car, because taxpayers would make up Ford’s losses, how long do you think Chrysler and Toyota could compete?

“...As any business owner will tell you, a temporary bailout is no substitute for the rule of law. The bailout keeps ObamaCare on life support, at taxpayers’ expense, while the free market expires and the rule of law disappears.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: criminal; purloined; subsidy; welfare

1 posted on 08/18/2016 3:36:50 PM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

I relayed this information in a discussion with some friends extolling the wonders of ObamaCare, as well, recent exits from the exchanges in advance of 2017, When they are NO LONGER GUARANTEED taxpayer monies...


2 posted on 08/18/2016 3:40:48 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Look our side had all the opportunities to fix our health care, for decades.

They did nothing.

NOTHING.

Obamacare sucks, but so did what we had. Trump we need something available which is affordable, which people cannot be excluded from for preexisting conditions, which covers anyone who wants to be covered.

That is the bare minimum.

Our side failed to provide anything like that.

FAILED.

So Obamacare sucks, but so did what we did, which was nothing.

Both sides are failures, at providing reasonable healthcare for Americans.

Both sides.


3 posted on 08/18/2016 3:48:13 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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ObamaCare is not “Healthcare”, which was provided for under previous law.

The asshats who believed the Democrats and Barry were exalted beyond belief in the knowledge their premiums would go down by thousands of dollars.

Instead they have exploded with more exlusions, which many, some close friends, are now learning.

Wait until next year when the whole thing begins to unravel, like “No Child Left Behind”


4 posted on 08/18/2016 3:52:00 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome
We've had healthcare forever. Medicaid has been taking care of the poor.

It's the costs of doing business that is killing us.

The costs of meds are ridiculous. Shorten up the patent time.

Pharmaceuticals are still posting 25% profits.

5 posted on 08/18/2016 3:52:21 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Zactly but, 25% isn’t unreasonable...


6 posted on 08/18/2016 3:53:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: cba123

Look our side had all the opportunities to fix our health care, for decades.>>> health car or insurance? when you really don’t have health insurance but money transfers, it usually works like that.


7 posted on 08/18/2016 3:53:47 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (all your base are belong to us)
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To: Vendome
ACA = Socialist B/S dreamed up by Socialists and put into practice by more FKn Socialists!
8 posted on 08/18/2016 3:54:36 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Vendome

Unfortunately most people are unable to grasp this, until it’s way too late.

That is exactly what Obama, Hillary and the Dems are counting on.


9 posted on 08/18/2016 3:56:14 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: mongo141

No, really...How do you feel about it?


10 posted on 08/18/2016 4:24:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: cba123
Both sides are failures, at providing reasonable healthcare for Americans.

Unless you served in the military, the government has no business providing you healthcare. You do not deserve a single penny of my wages to pay for your care.

11 posted on 08/18/2016 4:29:45 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (If Trump loses, America dies)
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By the same token, government has no business requiring so much as far as licenses and such from health care providers.

Yet there they are. Making tons of requirements, which do nothing but drive up costs.

If you are going to say get government out of healthcare, then let’s get government out of healthcare.

That is not what you are saying. And I strongly disagree with you, because of that.


12 posted on 08/18/2016 4:33:01 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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By the same token, government has no business requiring so much as far as licenses and such from health care providers.

Agreed.

If you are going to say get government out of healthcare, then let’s get government out of healthcare. That is not what you are saying.

It is what I'm saying. I am saying get government out of healthcare.

The only argument you can make for government interference it to make a States Rights case. I am against even that, but states do have leeway in those areas that the feds do not - or at least that's what our Constitution says.

Let the market reign and true price discovery commence!

13 posted on 08/18/2016 4:52:07 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (If Trump loses, America dies)
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ObamaCare Unraveling at a Rapid Rate--- Obamacare is a tax-financed vehicle for consolidating Dummycrat power financed sub rosa by taxpayers by a multi-billion dollar slush fund....and is ALSO a voter registration site.

The Untraceable $8 Billion ObamaCare PR Budget---truly govt fraud at its finest. Egged on by Pelosi, no one in Congress told Americans about Section 4002---which mandates an $8B untraceable fund to "promote" Obamacare (apparently b/c Boobamba had so little confidence in his signature legislation).

And remember, taxpayers....once in the hands of the Dummycrat criminal hordes, the tax billions are untraceable.....

In 2010 Taxpayers are extorted $500 million, in 2011, $750 million, 2012, $1 billion, 2013, $1.25 billion, 2014, $1.5 billion and in 2015 and on, $2 billion ----

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Q. Why all those O/Care delays and enrollment extensions?

A. Because Scumocrats to register enrollees as Democrats.....and to wire-transfer tax dollars billions offshore

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ACA SEC. 4002. PREVENTION AND PUBLIC HEALTH FUND.

(a) PURPOSE. It is the purpose of this section to establish a Prevention and Public Health Fund (referred to in this section as the ‘‘Fund’’), to be administered through the Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the Secretary, to provide for expanded and sustained national investment in prevention and public health programs to improve health and help restrain the rate of growth in private and public sector health care costs. (b) FUNDING.—There are hereby authorized to be appropriated, and appropriated, to the Fund, out of any monies in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated—

(1) for fiscal year 2010, $500,000,000;
(2) for fiscal year 2011, $750,000,000;
(3) for fiscal year 2012, $1,000,000,000;
(4) for fiscal year 2013, $1,250,000,000;
(5) for fiscal year 2014, $1,500,000,000; and
(6) for fiscal year 2015, and each fiscal year thereafter, $2,000,000,000.

(c) USE OF FUND.—The Secretary shall transfer amounts in the Fund to accounts within the Department of Health and Human Services to increase funding, over the fiscal year 2008 level, for programs authorized by the Public Health Service Act, for prevention, wellness, and public health activities including prevention research and health screenings, such as the Community Transformation grant program, the Education and Outreach Campaign for Preventive Benefits, and immunization programs.

(d) TRANSFER AUTHORITY.—The Committee on Appropriations of the Senate and the Committee on Appropriations of the House of may provide for the transfer of funds in the Fund to eligible activities under this section, subject to subsection (c).

14 posted on 08/19/2016 12:47:47 PM PDT by Liz (SAFE PLACE? liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing penetrates it.)
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Jonathan Gruber admitted that they were RELYING on the stupidity of people in order to get it passed. The stupidity started at the top....and trickled down. They were so stupid, they even left a paper trail. Read on.

As far back as 2008, at the presidential debate in Nashville, Democrat candidate Obama advanced his signature plan that was ultimately enacted (by an historic straight Democrat party-line vote) into the "Affordable Care Act:"

QUOTING OBAMA: "No. 1, let me just repeat, if youve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All Im going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You’ll still have choice of doctor.”

Repeated over and over by every loyal Democrat---- conning Americans into believing they'd be saving $2500.00 on healthcare costs.

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LOCK-STEPPING DEMOCRATS WEIGH IN
PARTY LOYALTY NOT SEEN SINCE 1930-40's ERA EUROPE
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SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)

SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)

THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we Democrats want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we’re going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our Democrat bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this Democrat legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you’ll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)

SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)

SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won’t have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)

SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic Democrat plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)

SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)

SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President’s promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)

SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a Democrat bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the Democrat chairman’s remark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That’s a strong commitment. It’s clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That’s the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you’ll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)

SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won’t. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “..it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.” (Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)

Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) the 60th vote on Obamacare: "people who are happy with their current plan, wouldn't need to change it."
FRANKEN YOUTUBE SOUND BITE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZmAYYNz8Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZmAYYNz8I

15 posted on 08/19/2016 12:51:15 PM PDT by Liz (SAFE PLACE? liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing penetrates it.)
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THIS JUST IN --- At Least Six Swing States Face Double-Digit Premium Hikes under Obamacare
Breitbart ^ | 16 August 2016 | Alex Swoyer / FR Posted by HokieMom

Double-digit Obamacare premium hikes projected in 2017 may bode in Donald Trump’s favor, as several swing states are being impacted by double-digit increases under the law and consumers are expected to see the hikes around Nov. 1 — one week before heading to the polls. Trump has promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, but Hillary Clinton has vowed to make the Obamacare exchanges work. Some say the way she would do that is through raising taxes. (Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...

16 posted on 08/19/2016 12:56:23 PM PDT by Liz (SAFE PLACE? liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing penetrates it.)
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