Posted on 08/17/2016 6:52:06 AM PDT by kindred
The Messiah has already come. We just need to be ready for his return. No one knows the day, but the sooner, the better.
Same here. Seventeen of the 25 barons had progeny and I am related to 14 of them. I know that Richard de Clare takes you straight to Charlemagne, and ultimately, Adam. Joseph of Arimathea was also in that lineage.
"Jefferson, the third president of the U.S., slept with one of his slaves, a woman called Sally Hemings, and fathered a child with her. A 1998 study found that Jefferson has an extremely rare DNA type, his Y chromosome belonging to just 1 percent of the population."
This is an outright lie. There is no proof that Thomas Jefferson fathered any of Sally Hemming's children. The DNA study concluded that any Jefferson family male (even from previous generations) could have contributed the DNA found in the Hemmings family descendants.
I have no doubt that there are thousands if no millions of descendants of King David in the world. He had twenty sons and a unrecorded number of daughters.
It would be odd if they had all been wiped out.
Because I’ve got Plantagenets I’ve got William duke of Normandy, and because I’ve got William I’ve got Charlemagne. Oddly, I’m as proud of Charlemagne’s grandfather Charles Martel as I am of Charlemagne.
By the way, that makes you cousin to George Washington (and a slew of other founders).
Also Clovis and St. Louis (Louis IX, King of France).
Also, do you have the lineage that links in the Washington Family?
No, it doesn't. We're all descended from someone.
How George Washington is Related to 24 of the 25 Magna Carta Sureties
The number of descendants of King David through the patrilineal line by Jewish mothers might be much smaller than one might imagine. Persecutions (some targeting Davidic descendants) and the Ashkenazi ‘bottleneck’ some 30 or so generations ago increase the likelihood of fewer Davidic descendants.
But even so, the number might still be in the tens of thousands out of 12 million or so Jews.
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“The offense is in calling Jews stupid or worse for not accepting Jesus as the Messiah.”
No offense to others - those are MY beliefs, grounded in the faith of my fathers.
“Did not the Christians there come from Jewish converts?”
But that is of no importance as far as the Jewish belief in the Messiah is concerned. Why? Because the Messiah will be a Jewish man who is extremely learned and extremely observant. While in a genetic sense, some of those Christians could conceivably trace their ancestry to King David on their patrilineal line, they are clearly not practicing Jews and thus cannot be the Messiah.
“The Messiah has already come. We just need to be ready for his return. No one knows the day, but the sooner, the better.”
It is not my belief, as I am Jewish. We believe that the Messiah has not yet come. He will be a man who is perfectly suited for the position, and if the time is right then G-d will imbue him with certain powers to affect change in the hearts of men. There will be no do-overs, as G-d is perfect and His chosen will not (CAN not) fail. FYI, I say “if the time is right” because it is a firm Jewish belief that in every generation there is at least one person who COULD be the Messiah, because that person is learned and righteous enough, but that potential will only be realized in one individual...when G-d determines that it is time.
Even under Jewish law, you are not obligated to believe as I do in order to have a place in the World to Come (i.e. Heaven). You need only abide by the 7 Noahide laws.
FYI, it is also part of Jewish belief that we need to ready ourselves for his appearance - to learn how to do what is right AND to actually DO what is right (mainly in the realm of doing kindness to others, giving charity, etc., but there is a LOT more to it, of course). You’re correct that no one knows the day. You’re also correct that the sooner, the better - because if our collective deeds are sufficient to bring the Messiah sooner than the otherwise appointed time, then the heartache and hardship of the period leading to his appearance will be less difficult. If we are not up to that standard, if the Messiah comes at his appointed time (i.e. near the year 6,000, 2240 in our calendar), then that generation will know hardship like none since the Creation. Pray and act to prevent that.
True if you’re only talking about those eligible to be the Messiah. However, the number who could - in theory - be descended from David is likely a pretty large percentage of the combined European and Mideastern population (including, of course, those of such descent who migrated elsewhere).
There will be some percentage of Africans, via Solomon’s son, Menelik (from the Queen of Sheba), plus still more from those Jews escaping to Africa after the destruction of either the First or Second Temples.
Yes, the Ashkenazi bottleneck is a big problem - if you’re predisposed to think that the Messiah should be a European Jew or descended of them. At least statistically - none of us could possibly say if, how, or to what extent G-d decided to protect David’s European descendants during that time period.
Ruth was David’s great-grandmother, but she was a Moabite, so descended from Lot, Abraham’s nephew. Was she technically a Gentile?
My Revolutionary War ancestor had 21 children by 3 wives...the youngest child was 5 years old when her father died aged 78, but the child I am descended from was about 42 years older.
Just did a quick calculation back to my great-grandparents. My oldest great-grandfather was born 114 years before I was, the youngest was born 85 years before I was...it averages out to 33 2/3 years. With my great-grandmothers it averages out to 30 2/3 years.
And the view from here...
According to the Zohar, the entire period of time allotted for Techiyas HaMeisim is between 210-214 years in advance of 6000. These are not the opinions of obscure rabbis, but of Rebi Yehudah HaNasi, the author of the Mishnah, and Rebi Yitzchak, a central figure of the same time period. They are, therefore, mainstream opinions, with which no one argues, at least not in the Zohar. As hard as this may be to fathom, that Techiyas HaMeisim may be only 10-14 years away, there really is no reason not to believe it.And, according to the Zohar, that begins after 40 years of Kibbutz Golios, which makes the beginning of it 26-30 years ago, around 1986-1990. So, if Kibbutz Golios lasts 40 years, and Techiyas HaMeisim comes at its conclusion, then Yemos HaMoshiach—the arrival and reign of Moshiach—must be part of the period of time called Kibbutz Golios, of which there is only 10-14 years left, according to Rebi Yehudah and Rebi Yitzchak.
Quoting from the article: "“The Moshiach is already here. Moshiach in Hebrew means ‘anointed’. It is not a miracle."
I believe so, since all Jews are directly deccended from Abraham. Many orthodox Jews do not consider David a full Jew.
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