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Philly’s “Soda Tax”: Not Popular, Not Fiscally Sound, Not Legal
Townhall.com ^ | June 28, 2016 | Jerry Rogers

Posted on 06/28/2016 12:16:32 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

The Liberals think they can Tax the guts out of things people use every day and instantly they stop using ,never mind about people losing their jobs and no items to Tax


21 posted on 06/28/2016 12:46:20 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Kaslin

The rate is high enough that only single sales of say 12 to 20 oz. containers will be common in the city.

For larger sizes, people will stock up in the suburbs.

It might backfire for that reason.

The city might consider a say a seven ounce per container exemption. That might trigger a switch to 10 to 12 oz containers (and prevent the stockpiling [and consumption] of large container soda supplies).


22 posted on 06/28/2016 12:49:30 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: PAR35

“Coca-Cola doesn’t use Coca leaves for the flavor.”

Well, there’s been no cocaine at all in those leaves since 1903-1904, so it isn’t for that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola#Coca_.E2.80.93_cocaine


23 posted on 06/28/2016 12:52:56 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Brian Griffin

How are they going to enforce this? Just having the tax added at point of sale does nothing to identify the bootleg soda. Tax stamps a la booze and cigarettes? Specially prined Philly labels?

Will the Philly Police send out tax raiders to mass outdoor events to nab or perhps shoot violaters?


24 posted on 06/28/2016 12:58:39 PM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: goldstategop

“Politicians of the Left and Right need to stop micromanaging our lives.”

“We don’t need to be treated like children. My freedom to make bad choices is part of being American.”

US governments spend about $1 trillion per year on health care.

Taxes on soda, ice cream, candy, fried food, etc. should be levied nationwide to pay for this subsidized health care.

You are being treated like an adult - taxed.

You are not being managed - you remain in control - just a bit less affluent.

If you ate a half gallon of ice cream a day, your ice cream tax might be $700/year, about 1% of the average household income in the USA.


25 posted on 06/28/2016 1:00:24 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Kaslin

Government is not free.

It has to be paid for, preferably by the people getting the services in proportion to the amount of services received.

Even paying the tax on a two-liter bottle each day, most Philly residents will be getting far more in government services than they pay in taxes.


26 posted on 06/28/2016 1:05:43 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Celerity
Their DMV is setup to prevent anyone without $4000 in their pocket from ever driving. Their income tax is sly.

How do you figure that? It's $36 to register a car. $30.50 for a 4 year driver's license.

Sure, you have to pay sales tax on a car (6% in most counties) and pay high gas taxes. But how do you figure $4000?

All of PA has 3% local tax from your income. Scranton, Philly, Pittsburgh have 5 or 7 percent tax.

The state income tax is 3.07% with pretty much no deductions. Local earned income tax in most jurisdictions is 1% (shared between school and municipality). Yeah, the bigger cities have a higher income tax.

27 posted on 06/28/2016 1:10:12 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Covenantor

At the retail store level, they can enforce it pretty readily (like they do with cigarette taxes).

However, at the consumer level it will be nearly impossible. That’s why a ~seven-ounce per container sweet spot needs to be created.

DC used to sell booze cheaper than Virginia. Virginia would try to nab people crossing the Potomac from Georgetown. I don’t think Virginia got much more than an earful of revenue.


28 posted on 06/28/2016 1:11:32 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: nascarnation

They need to put checkpoints at the ends of the bridges and search the cars coming over from New Jersey.


29 posted on 06/28/2016 1:12:58 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Kaslin

You get the government you vote for.


30 posted on 06/28/2016 1:14:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is always just one or a thousand or a million more murders away from utopia.)
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To: Brian Griffin
For larger sizes, people will stock up in the suburbs.

I bet you many of those who do, are liberals.

31 posted on 06/28/2016 1:19:34 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Brian Griffin

You are obviously not a smoker. Every cigarette pack has a tax stamp on it. Maryland places them on the bottom of the pack.

Used to make the run from Central Liquor (lowest prices) in downtown DC for friends in Bethesda and Chevy Chase.

And for awhile Va and Md had undercover cops watching plates. Mist of the VA traffic to Georgetown was beer and booze by the drink as Rosslyn, just across the Potomac, banned liquor sales by the drink.


32 posted on 06/28/2016 1:23:03 PM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: PAR35

Create more unionized govt jobs.
YES!!


33 posted on 06/28/2016 1:29:55 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: SoothingDave


How do you figure that? It’s $36 to register a car. $30.50 for a 4 year driver’s license.

Sure, you have to pay sales tax on a car (6% in most counties) and pay high gas taxes. But how do you figure $4000?”

PA requires all cars to pass inspection within 10 days. Without that pass, the registration is bunk without extension.
So a person buying a used car is going to spend about $2500 on the cheapest, most-guaranteed-to-pass vehicle here.
$150 sales tax,
$36 to register
$30 plate fee
$10-$20 notary fee
$10-$40 inspections
And then of course, insurance. Which most states require. But we’re still going to put that in the equation because it should be adding up to $4000 (And I just pulled that number out of my ass... but the fees get up there)
$20ish title fee)

This is really because PA has handed its registration process over to privatization. Tag and Title services over to these criminals who have free roam over what they charge. The process is miserable.

When I bought my 2000 Civic Hatchback for $2500 I had to shell out another $1000 to get it legal - for a week because the tires were just at the failure point for inspection and there was rot behind the mud guard. So it failed and I got pulled over everyday for it.

Buying a car in PA is a miserable experience that simply costs too damned much for someone, say, just starting a job and needs a cheap car to get to work for awhile. Even CT has easier ways to come out of poverty.

But if you’re low on funds and just get a job - good luck getting there for the first 6 months. If you’re not on the bus line in Pennsylvania and you’re poor you’re as good as dead.


34 posted on 06/28/2016 1:36:48 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: SoothingDave

Oh ! AND since I let my insurance AND my registration lapse on my car, the tag and title boobs have told me that I have to wait 90 days before registering that car.

So I’ll just drive it illegally. Screw it. There are no cops in my town.


35 posted on 06/28/2016 1:38:10 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: Kaslin

I think this is stupid but seems no different than the other ‘sin’ taxes that have been commonly enacted and generally accepted by society (cigs, beer, the abnormally high rates of taxation on casinos, etc).

Once again government needs to stop using taxes as a means of social engineering and stick to limited legitimate services and get the heck out of the way otherwise


36 posted on 06/28/2016 1:40:14 PM PDT by Methos8
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To: Kaslin

From looking at a map, Philadelphia looks like a long and narrow city - with a narrow jut-out in the middle....Looks like it’s only 4 miles, at most, to leave it - buy soda - and come back.

Such a stupid tax that will backfire on these politicians and lower other revenue with lost sales from city businesses.


37 posted on 06/28/2016 1:56:25 PM PDT by libertarian27 (FR Cookbooks - On Profile Page)
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Even paying the tax on a two-liter bottle each day, most Philly residents will be getting far more in government services than they pay in taxes.

Not if you live on a small street. You won't get plowed for four days.

38 posted on 06/28/2016 2:05:45 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We will no longer surrender this country to the false song of globalism. –Donald Trump)
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Philly’s “Soda Tax”: Not Popular, Not Fiscally Sound, Not Legal

How is it NOT legal?

Didn't they pass a LAW??

39 posted on 06/28/2016 2:18:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
“All taxes shall be uniform, upon the same class of subjects, within the territorial limits of the authority levying the tax, and shall be collected under general laws.”

Oh; like the 'tax' on tobacco products?

The alcoholic stuff; too?

40 posted on 06/28/2016 2:19:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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