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How American Politics Went Insane (Long and very serious)
The Atlantic ^ | July/August Issue | Jonathan Rauch

Posted on 06/25/2016 2:10:09 PM PDT by NRx

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To: NRx

As long as a significant number of people in the U.S. think killing babies should be legal, the U.S. will continue on the path toward extinction.


21 posted on 06/25/2016 2:41:09 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Vaquero

I haven’t read the article.

The Atlantic relentlessly reinforces the idea that you, the putative reader, are so intellectually gifted that given only slight effort, you too can understand and absorb the advanced and highly nuanced brilliance hereby imparted.

It is intellectual masturbation for the sheer sake of intellectual masturbation. You’ll rarely if ever see a new original idea but above all, you’ll never ever see something simply and cogently stated. It’s like your neurons going to the gym for a workout on the treadmill. You get nowhere and if you’re able to get through the routine (of reading the article) you have bragging rights that you got through the routine and that’s the end of it.

I took care of my folks during their final years and my Mom subscribed to the mag, English teacher/librarian that she was during her working years. A dozen or so years ago, there were articles of occasional interest and they do have a very clever “made up words” contest every year, I believe, which has had some very clever entries. Over time, I saw the magazine get ever more and ever more cerebral even as it veered left, more left that it already was. At the end, I stopped even being interested in reading it, barely able to get through a paragraph of dense convoluted verbiage imparting essentially nothing of interest nor value. Maybe I just got dumber. But I found that after reading the first paragraph that I wasn’t interested in slogging farther to try to grasp some cliched thesis.


22 posted on 06/25/2016 2:43:20 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (I apologize for not apologizing.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I think I’ll stick with the Bering Strait or The Pacific.


23 posted on 06/25/2016 2:49:56 PM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: bigbob

Um....yeah. No. Good propagandists, are skilled in disinformation. Not that I can’t recognize it, but I know their end game. Destruction of America. These people are no longer the ‘loyal opposition ‘. They are out to destroy America and I’ll be damned if I’m going to give them one second of attention.
If you think the current regime and their lackeys in the MSM, (let alone this Marxist rag) are just misinformed folks and not unlike the patriots here at FR, Then you are deluding yourself.


24 posted on 06/25/2016 2:51:20 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Okay. I’ve finished it and have decidedly mixed views. There are some good points, but a lot of it was problematic and clearly this guy has an axe to grind with the Tea Party (not that the Tea Party is above criticism). But yeah, overall I am not as impressed as I was at the halfway point.


25 posted on 06/25/2016 2:52:55 PM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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To: NRx

TRANSLATION: Voters are so stupid for electing Trump.


26 posted on 06/25/2016 2:58:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If the Orlando terrorist doesnÂ’t represent all Muslims, why does he represent all gun-owners?)
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To: NRx

I read through part of it. It is all about the non-Democrat side of things.

When someone talks about how American politics has gone off the rails, and they don’t even so much as mention the ascension of radical leftists from the Sixties to power, including one President who demonstrated against his own country and dodged the draft, and another president who an anti-American racist officiate his wedding and had never held a real job in his life, was shepherded to office by a Marxist radical home-grown American Terrorist...

Well, you get the idea. It isn’t worth the minuscule amount of space it takes up on some hard drive somewhere.


27 posted on 06/25/2016 2:59:07 PM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: NRx

The first few paragraphs were fun (about the year 2020), but then he claims that Trump, Sanders, and Cruz are sociopaths. Hillary is not. I guess we know whom he’s voting for.


28 posted on 06/25/2016 3:01:14 PM PDT by The people have spoken
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To: raybbr

Exactly. I read the “article” as well. See my post.

There was a time in my life when the concept of someone like Barack Obama attaining the office of the Presidency would not only have been unthinkable, it would have been impossible. He wouldn’t have been able to get a security clearance, never mind get on a ticket.

Unbelievable.


29 posted on 06/25/2016 3:01:26 PM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: Vaquero
The Atlantic.....a Marxist rag.

The author mostly blames the Republicans and especially the Tea Party for our problems.

Chaos syndrome is a chronic decline in the political system’s capacity for self-organization. It begins with the weakening of the institutions and brokers our moral foundations.

A lot of our problems can be traced to our government (and others) pretending things to be true that aren't true. We pretended that black people aren't people and we had slavery. The Germans pretended that Jewish people aren't people and the world had the holocaust. We pretend that preborn people aren't people and the problems with abortion are never ending. Now we pretend that homosexuality is normal and we're just beginning to see the problems that will be never ending. All of these major problems are caused by a lack or morality.

We lost our moral way and for one major political party up is down and down is up. The other major political party has been too weak to resist, thus the rise of Trump, who is resisting.

30 posted on 06/25/2016 3:07:15 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: NRx

That was a longwinded way to say “We need to go back to Politics as Usual.”

All you need to know is this:

We are more divided now than we were before the Civil War. There is little or nothing left on which to compromise.

We are held together only by bread and circuses - on steroids. Cable, the Internet and Welfare are superglue holding the USA together.

Our divisions are not regional. They are Urban vs. Rural and Suburban. This means that any CW II in the US will look more like Lebanon than like CW I.

Our political parties don’t represent us to Washington. They represent Washington to us. They are employees and agents of the Federal Government, not their constituents.

It is a ugly state we find ourselves in, and it doesn’t look there is a polite way to break up.


31 posted on 06/25/2016 3:09:08 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: NRx

Estrogen has had a devastating affect on males.


32 posted on 06/25/2016 3:11:54 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Females DESTROYED America.)
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To: Nifster

I got to about the same spot. If his argument is in favor of pork / pet projects and essentially bribery for votes then he hasn’t recognized the downside of these things. How they drive the greed, the avarice, how they inevitably lead to the separation between government / governed and how that separation leads to the governers viewing the governed as lesser...as subjects.


33 posted on 06/25/2016 3:16:47 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (We need a separation of press and state!)
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To: NRx

Mostly leftist nonsense.

Completely glosses over the toxic use of race by the media and the Obama administration to prevent any meaningfull use of Congressional power to keep the Obama presidency in check.

Some of what the article claims are simply wrong from a power perspective. The primaries were labelled “reforms” when they were a way to insure that the media had great power in picking candidates, especially Republican candidates.

It is a long list of ways for the elite to claim that things were so much better when they had total control of the processes.

I would have to write an article nearly as long to expose all the inaccuracies contained in this article.

Without taking into account the enormous bias and power wielded by the media, this article completely fails in its attempt to analyse what has happened.


34 posted on 06/25/2016 3:17:23 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Bryan24

Great quote!


35 posted on 06/25/2016 3:18:54 PM PDT by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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To: sauropod

Read this.


36 posted on 06/25/2016 3:19:43 PM PDT by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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To: NRx

Bkmk


37 posted on 06/25/2016 3:20:24 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: NRx; All

Not necessary to read it after 37 posts. FReeper’s analytical skills are extraordinary. Thanks to all posters.


38 posted on 06/25/2016 3:28:08 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: NRx; All

Another think the author does,is write Reagan out of his history.

He mentions Goldwater and McGovern as unelectable insurrectionists. But he never mentions that Reagan was an insurrectionist who won and did tremendous good work, against the existing power structure.


39 posted on 06/25/2016 3:35:36 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: NRx

Thank you for the very good article. Yes, it is lengthy but accurate.

Frank Luntz demonstrated how Americans want Accountability in every area of life (Hyperion Press, 2009). George Will points out how baseball has Accountability where every pitch, play and error is recorded (https://youtu.be/UBOTqihbMgs).

Jonathan Rauch writes how “the Constitution makes no provision for holding politicians accountable to one another” (Atlantic, 201607).

The solution, as the Founding Fathers wrote, was to have an educated and Christian electorate. Thus, in my opinion, the rejection of the Seventh Commandment (no adultery) is signal that the electorate is not educated and is not Christian. As a result, we lack Accountability in politics and Americans really don’t have what the really want: Accountability.

Alfonzo Rachel, a commentator on PJ Media, said the same back in 2008. Since Herman Cain would have won but was rejected as Republican Candidate in 2008, and since John McCain was promoted as Rep. Candidate, then the future presidential race will be Captain Kangaroo (Rep) vs. Jay z (Dem) for President. Rauch predicts the 2020 election will be Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty (Rep) vs. Kayne West (Dem).

Very sad. Thus, we need to be accountable in front of God and bring Accountability into our lives, families, and communities. Hopefully Trump gets into DC and rebuilds accountability


40 posted on 06/25/2016 4:18:05 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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