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Five Years and $500 Million Later, USDA Admits That 'Food Deserts' Don't Matter
Reason ^ | 6/13/2016 | Elizabeth Nolan Brown

Posted on 06/14/2016 7:01:33 AM PDT by RightGeek

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To: Albion Wilde; RightGeek

And the wagon is painted John Deere green and yellow.

And no diaper on the horse


41 posted on 06/14/2016 9:22:53 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Albion Wilde

When I lived in West Philly, I often bought my fruit and veg from a truck. It was cheaper and better that the chain grocery a block away. I think low cost options like the Arabbing in Baltimore or several food trucks going to these neighborhoods would have worked better and been more cost effective than whatever the govt did.

One of the problems with ‘food deserts’ - we had a chain grocery store, but it wasn’t very good. We also had people with various income levels, many of whom could have paid for a better selection. The problem in a lot of cities (at least on the east coast) is that people don’t have cars. This makes it difficult to do major shopping elsewhere if you can’t find what you want nearby.

Online shopping is helpful (I did it all the time in Seattle, being carless there as well), but I don’t know how many of these services will go to hardcore inner cities.


42 posted on 06/14/2016 10:05:57 AM PDT by radiohead
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To: RightGeek

Thhe USDA admits its irrelevance.


43 posted on 06/14/2016 10:18:59 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: VanShuyten

“...we were amazed at how many of the locals would walk through the supermarkets grazing on the fruit, cookies and chips. You could find open bags of snacks on nearly every shelf.”

Yep. Marts won’t prosecute for that. They’d have to have dozens of employees just watching customers continuously to have grounds. So, you take the kids, have a meal with drinks, drop the wrappers and empties, buy $5 of snacks on SNAP and head home.

The amount of loss from theft, in-store eating and waste (cold food left on staple shelves) would astound most people.


44 posted on 06/14/2016 10:49:31 AM PDT by polymuser (Enough is enough!)
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To: Prov1322; radiohead
I remember as late as the early 80s, NJ pig farmers collected food scraps in the neighborhoods in South Philly if you set them out separately on trash day.

Also -- never heard the term "driveway", but I did hear "alley street" -- those were one-car width between the backs of rowhouses, often concrete and with a slight v-shape so that water could run down in the center groove. Pronounced more correctly, "allie shtreet".

But maybe because of the origins of the town as a major port city and the 400-year-old ethnic enclaves, you could hear different dialects and terminology every seven or eight blocks. I loved Philly in the old days, before the yuppies took over.

45 posted on 06/14/2016 10:51:40 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We can't fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it." --Donald Trump, 6/7/16)
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To: BenLurkin
Americans enjoy meat, salt, fried foods and sweets. That’s just who we are. Food desert or not.

There are only three relatively natural food substances that are addictive: salt, sugar and fat. True. You have to treat yourself like a patient every once in awhile to break the habits.

46 posted on 06/14/2016 10:55:24 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We can't fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it." --Donald Trump, 6/7/16)
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To: boycott
All they’ve done by subsidizing food for non-contributors is made it increase in price for the rest of us.

In the early days of the great migration of people from rural areas to the northern cities for industrial work, many of the grandparents still knew how to farm and they grew vegetables in their small yards. Pole beans, tomatoes, cucumbers, radishes, rhubarb, mustard or collard greens, cabbages, squash, sunflowers -- easy to grow even in somewhat limited light if the street was wide enough and not overgrown with trees.

47 posted on 06/14/2016 11:02:13 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We can't fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it." --Donald Trump, 6/7/16)
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To: Vehmgericht

They are, though, NOT liquor store deserts, hair weave deserts, nail salon deserts...


48 posted on 06/14/2016 11:17:13 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: ntnychik
Did anyone ask the groceries who used to be in the food desert locations why they closed their stores?



Baltimore, 2015. $40,000 worth of stolen drugs are now on the streets.



Ferguson, MO 2014. Looting right in front of police and reporters.



London, UK riots 2011. What is different? What is similar?

49 posted on 06/14/2016 11:18:15 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We can't fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it." --Donald Trump, 6/7/16)
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To: radiohead
The problem in a lot of cities (at least on the east coast) is that people don’t have cars. This makes it difficult to do major shopping elsewhere if you can’t find what you want nearby.

I wore out several of these when I lived in Philly:

The only time those got a break was when I was pushing a stroller, which also had a wire basket on the back, and you could hang plastic bags on the handles. Then there was the double baskets on the back of my bike...

...and also the child seat, where you could strap a grocery bag or a watermelon in place as long as the child wasn't along for the ride.


50 posted on 06/14/2016 11:30:12 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We can't fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it." --Donald Trump, 6/7/16)
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To: GreyFriar
And no diaper on the horse

A drawback, for sure.

51 posted on 06/14/2016 11:30:45 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We can't fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it." --Donald Trump, 6/7/16)
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To: BenLurkin

FTA: spent almost $500 million to improve food store access in neighborhoods lacking large, well-stocked grocery stores.

Just how did they do so? What did they do other then line someone’s pockets with lots of money? Did they even open a vegetable stand somewhere?!


52 posted on 06/14/2016 1:02:08 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: grania
What I glean from your hypothesis is that poor people who make a bigger effort to obtain food make better decisions than poor people who make very little effort to obtain food.

This would be an extrapolation of "poor people have poor ways".

Another thing I got was that maybe ghetto folks make better decisions when surrounded by higher-socioeconomic folks. The reason I say that is because I have seen an odd dynamic in my city: when a nice supermarket opens up in the wealthier part of town, black folks will drive out of their way to go there even though an equivalent is closer, as if they just want the ambiance or prefer to not get stabbed in the parking lot.

Thoughts?

53 posted on 06/14/2016 1:47:03 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: AndyJackson

Some succulents are edible!

I read your “succulents” as “succubus”.


54 posted on 06/14/2016 1:48:39 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: T-Bone Texan
What you stated seems to be the case. Following from it might be a solid reason to not have grocery stores in those food deserts. It forces those residents into behaviors that are more likely to be positive.

Thanks for the well thought out post.

55 posted on 06/15/2016 3:16:30 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania

As a conservative I believe in free will and the individuals’ liberty/responsibility to make correct choices in life.

Thus, when you reference something “forcing” ghetto people into the right choices, it kinda turns my stomach a bit.

Their ability to make the right choices, as a life path, should be determined by their parents when they raise their kids right.

Oh wait, I think we’ve just hit upon the crux of the problem!


56 posted on 06/15/2016 6:50:07 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: T-Bone Texan
I agree with you. It's a conflict. The unending downward spiral seems unstoppable.

First two steps....(1)law and order in those neighborhoods and (2) jobs, not handouts

57 posted on 06/15/2016 6:55:45 AM PDT by grania
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