Posted on 05/07/2016 1:10:15 PM PDT by Jacquerie
In order for the Progressives to achieve their objective, they would need to convince the delegates to the national convention to surrender their individual right to choose the nominee, and, instead, vest that right in the low information voters in primary elections. <<<<<
Interesting. He calls all voters in primary elections “low information voters”. That’s good to hear, because for a while they were trying to say that only Trump’s voters were ‘’low information’’ voters.
It’s also good to hear that he makes a distinction between We the People and the ‘ruling class’...ie us v delegates.
We the People knew that the snobs were thinking along those lines, but nobody else had the guts to admit it.
However, he fails to comprehend that in THIS case, the ‘low information voter’ has more smarts than the political machine in all its forms.
I’ve come to the conclusion that the author is a ‘low information’ author and is, most likely, over paid.
Here is a free tip, Curly: We the People actually believe that we should have a voice in choosing our leaders. That IS the point of the primary process, is it not?
Well, here is the bottom line: if the primary process counts for nothing, then several million of us will found and support a different party, and you can be the Suslov of a rump party with a great history, but no influence and no future. We withdraw our consent for you and your ilk to rule us. Or, phrased a bit more durectly, we invite you to go phuck yourself.
Parties are not part of the government or mentioned in the Constitution.
Parties are non governmental organizations that supply candidates for election
Thus there is no appeal to the Constitution to justify how parties choose their candidate. They can choose however they want and change those rules as they want. But they must, if they wish to survive post up candidates that represent the broad consensus of the party.
The claim of Republic vs Democracy has no merit in this case. The parties are not a Constitutional entity
This is the jack hole who says voters don’t count
He is as nuts as Glen Beck and Paul Ryan
The presidential election process has become so incendiary because so much rides on the outcome. It wasn't supposed to be this way. The idea was never to popularly elect a Caesar.
The states were to appoint a person of nationwide respect and high honor with a deep sense of his/her place in a republic. Yes, I know from the Constitution it is up to the states to determine the manner in which they chose electors. I suppose, due to the politics of the time, the Framers had to leave the method up to the states. It is a shame the door was left open to popular participation.
In any event, I posted Haugland's blog only because I am also hostile to democracy. While no system is perfect, I have more faith in the security of the filtered will of the people rather than their direct participation.
Most of the state level Republican leadership are just like this little undercover progressive. They imitate their Washington commissars. Saying you are a conservative capitalist and voting like leftist Democratic makes you a part of the problem, not the solution comrade curley.
This is a viewpoint I've seen from a number of people on FR. They have decided that the people who are involved in the day to day workings of the party, are the people who should decide the candidate. "The Party members have superior knowledge of the Issues, and therefore have the right to guide the Masses into Correct Thought". That was also the viewpoint of the Communist Party members versus "the masses". These Party members do not see themselves as servants of the Republican electorate.
We need a long-term campaign to purge the party of these elitists.
Unfortunately, any system is only as good as the people participating.
As long as the local reps were more concerned about their neighbors than they were about enriching their bank accounts, the original design worked. However, as a result of the Income Tax Amendment, modern politicians and their allies have nearly unlimited amounts of money to throw around.
Very few are willing to resist that type of “lobbying”.
You’re not the only one from North Dakota.
Sure there are good conservatives in the state. But most of them in Bismarck are crony types and nearly all of them are eager to spend as much as they can get their hands on.
You and I both know these phony prairie progressives are just about as common among state Republicans as Democrats.
It goes back a lot longer than this election cycle. Hoeven anyone?
p.s. Kramer is a warrior but he catches three kinds of hell for it, not infrequently from Republicans. I hope to heck he can win again in the fall.
The delegates, for the most part, are not people of high respect or honor. They are compromised by factions and disproportionate representation due to favoritism. The ones that are bought-bribed are nothing but political whores at the lower level.
If there was no accountability, they would likely just choose one of themselves (delegate) to be potus. Our leaders are given honor and respect. Way too often, their actions betray the people.
In Curly’s world, Jeb is president because they decreed it as such.
What do you think of Burgum?
Isn’t that Curely schmuck the guy who thinks he matters for something? He was going to stop Trump right?
Yes, the original idea was that people of a community would elect as a representative somebody from their community, personally known by them as being somebody of intelligence and good judgement.
This does not describe current Republican party officials. I would challenge you to find more than a tiny percentage of registered Republicans who even knew the name of their local Republican officials, much less even met them.
What I think would work better, would be if winning candidates selected their own slate of delegates.
He was the schmuck that said the GOP picks the candidate, not the voters. Must’ve taken notes from Lyin Ted.
“In order for the Progressives to achieve their objective, they would need to convince the delegates to the national convention to surrender their individual right to choose the nominee, and, instead, vest that right in the low information voters in primary elections. Would the delegates, while sitting at the 2016 convention knowing they possess the right to choose the nominee, voluntarily surrender that right? Of course not!”
Curly, so you consider the members of your party to be “low information voters”?
Well, gee, Curly, no wonder the GOP rank-and-file voters are finally revolting against arrogant, elitist, pseudo- aristocratic “leaders” like yourself! Actually, that doesn’t sound all that “low information” to me. That sounds like the GOP rank-and-file voters have finally figured out what the heck has really been going on and decided to repudiate you and your reprehensible fellow slime! Maybe they WERE low information voters who bought into your and your ilk’s lies and traitorous plots BEFORE Trump came along, but no more. Trump has ripped the curtains off and exposed you and your fellow conspirators as the scum you really are!
That’s a tough one.
A guy you can really only admire for his skills and achievements, and I do.
But his “enlightened” view on abortion and homo marriage suck, to put it bluntly. Unless he has changed his position in some way I don’t know about.
How do you view the social issues issue, if you don’t mind my asking?
I am personally a social conservative but realise my morality cannot be forced on others. I think we as a country need to get our fiscal house in order - that is the #1 priority.
I hear you.
I try to draw hard lines in these areas but it’s difficult.
But I can’t seem to overcome the idea that I am opting for a balanced budget at the cost of human life.
btw I didn’t know you were a Dakotan...or if I did I had forgotten. Pleased to say hello!
North Dakota Republican Party has a bumper crop of these Hoglandesque turds who control the state government. All I can say is if you think this is bad, lift the cover from from the suppurating canker that is our Democrat Non Partizan League (Democrat Party).
Are you going to see Trump in Bismarck on the 26th??
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