Posted on 04/14/2016 5:24:08 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
After getting shut out at the Colorado conventions, Trump has been complaining that the Republican primary process is undemocratic and rigged. ...it’s true that some Republican votes are worth a lot more than others. “One person, one vote” — or the idea that every voter should have equal say in an election — is not the rule in the GOP primary system. The irony, however, is that Trump has benefited from this imbalance....
Trump has won a higher share of delegates than votes in 24 of the 35 contests studied (67 percent), most notably in winner-take-all contests. Winner-take-all statewide contests are less democratic than winner-take-all by congressional district (in the sense that the delegate allocation mirrors the vote). And winner-take-all by district is less democratic than simple proportional allocation. Trump benefited most in South Carolina, which awarded all 50 of its delegates to Trump even as he won a little less than a third of the vote. He also took all the delegates in the winner-take-all states of Arizona and Florida, while earning less than 50 percent of the vote in each. In 40 percent of the contests, Trump did at least 10 percentage points better in the delegate race than in the actual voting....
Overall, Trump has won 37 percent of the vote in the 35 contests, while winning 48 percent of the delegates. Even if you include the conventions, where we don’t have any good measure of vote total, Trump has won 45 percent of the delegates. If Republicans were to allocate delegates the way Democrats do, Republicans would be much closer to a 1-to-1 votes-to-delegates ratio. That system would also result in Trump’s having pretty much no shot at winning a majority of delegates heading into the ...Convention.
(Excerpt) Read more at fivethirtyeight.com ...
Here’s more:
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/heres-why-trumps-everything-is-rigged-talk-is-so-alarming/
Some see an equivalence between Trump, who collected more delegates than his vote...with Ted Cruz, who collected all the delegates (Colorado) with no vote at all.
But Cruz is #1 in states that can’t vote like CO and WY
Why should they give you the simple courtesy of noticing you exist?
Just below this article on the main page is the story about the Los Angeles cross being unconstitutional, somehow these fit together in the theater of the Absurd.
"Looking forward to the rationalizations from Stormtrumpers for this one."
Yeah, we know. Winning primaries is favoritism, saying something that upsets your cat is a micro-aggression, and White Folks are the oppressor.
Must be some scorching hot blow-back from the "smart" Colorado stuff Cruz was stupid enough to brag about instead of quietly sneaking away from. Otherwise the Cruz shills wouldn't be flopping around like fish and talking out of both sides of their mouths about how favoritism for Cruz is a sign of how clever and smart Teddy boy is but anything that works in the favor of he who got the most votes is favoritism.
Typical Cruz, though, bragging about his victory and whining, spinning, whining, spinning, the usual lawyer stuff we've come to know and love from the GOP insider lawyer corps.
There was no voting? That’s a new one.
That’s crazy.
The process of gaining delegates has nothing to do with Trump. It was in place before Trump ever decided to run.
However, the process of buying unaffiliated delegates for the first round or for the second round is shameful.
Even if the rules say that delegates can be bought, that is a violation of free and fair elections.
If delegates are bound the first round and not bound in subsequent rounds, that is fine, but that is then above board integrity for that system.
I have heard that each subsequent round a candidate begins with fewer bound delegates. Someone else told me that is incorrect and all are unbound after the first round. I don’t really know.
I do know that at the initial vote, the paramount concern should be reflecting the intent of the voters when they voted. That means every won delegate should be under a requirement to vote for the candidate for whom they were selected, whether that candidate has dropped out or not.
This year’s election should bring reform to the selection process of both Republicans and Democrats. The rules for both are a mess.
Unfair! Just like the Electoral College! /sarc
I am amazed that when Trump does something that should disappoint his followers, such as not having a team in Colorado to try an win delegates, their first response is, “Steal”, “Rigged”, “Unfair”, etc. It seems to be the pattern whenever Trump loses any given state he has lost in.
Since the Colorado process was not a secret, did ANY of the 17 candidates who were running as the Republican nominee complain about it at the time it was announced?
I didn’t think so.
Frankly, the loss in Colorado is Trumps fault, his organizations fault, AND his supporters fault for not bothering to get involved.
Getting involved in these things is relatively easy. In most cases, you just have to show up.
Having your candidate fly in for big rallies, and getting a lot of free coverage by saying crazy stuff, isn’t even enough to win a city council seat, let alone, when the presidency.
You want your candidate to succeed? Get involved.
Don’t sit back and rail “Unfair”.
When you do that, you sound just like a Gimme-dat Democrat.
Stupidity should be painful.
Some see an equivalence between Trump, who collected more delegates than his vote...with Ted Cruz, who collected all the delegates (Colorado) with no vote at all.
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Actually 60,000 people participated in the delegate selection process in Colorado. The participants voted during the process, at the local regional and state levels.
What you are saying is factually incorrect.
The system is obviously unfair. It is biased towards democratic strong holds. Is it rigged? Well why would the party want to reward democratic districts with the same # of delegates as strongly Rep. districts?? Some districts vote 90%+ for the democratic congressman. The few Rep. are more easily controlled by the State/National party.
As for Trump getting more delegates than his % of the vote. That is always the way it works. Winners win and losers don’t. If the Superbowl is 30-28 the team with 30 wins it all. I think Trump was completely naive and unprepared for a rumble for delegates. He thought he could go out and win the most votes and that would be it. He also tried to do it “cheap”. Additionally, many of his supporters are new to politics. Sanders suffers the same problem. However as is usually true the people will have the last laugh, and it won’t be pretty. Popcorn anyone??
As for Trump getting more delegates than his % of the vote. That is always the way it works. Winners win and losers don’t. If the Superbowl is 30-28 the team with 30 wins it all. I think Trump was completely naive and unprepared for a rumble for delegates.
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o Trump was anything but naive, he is a bully and bomb thrower who will destroy anything in his path.
Apparently this worked in the real estate business he runs (but not in other endeavors he has failed at) but when you play this game with politics you are being very reckless.
In Colorado, they didn't even bother with a popular vote. Are we supposed to believe that they hoped for or encouraged every party member to show up at those meetings?
“We’ve already been disenfranchised,” Trump said. “Because if you think about it, the economy is rigged, the banking system is rigged, there’s a lot of things that are rigged in this world of ours, and that’s why a lot of you haven’t had an effective wage increase in 20 years.”
That is an almost word-for-word copy of what socialist Democrat Bernie Sanders has been saying.
“Millions of Americans are giving up on the political process. And they’re giving up on the political process because they understand the economy is rigged. They are working longer hours for low wages,” is what Sanders said at a February Democratic debate.
Indeed, the claim that the economy is rigged has become a staple of the increasingly leftist Democratic Party.
President Obama says “the system (is) rigged for those at the top, and rigged against the middle class.” So does Hillary Clinton.
Far-left Sen. Elizabeth Warren got the phrase into the recent political lexicon when she exclaimed in 2012: “People feel like the system is rigged against them, and here is the painful part — they’re right. The system is rigged.”
Sanders and Co. argue that the economy is rigged because they want to expand the size and scope of government to “un-rig” it — through still more intrusive regulations and higher taxes.
So why is Trump mimicking this language?
Saying everything is rigged does nothing but stoke envy and animosity. It provides a ready excuse for those who are lazy or irresponsible. It suggests that rich people — like Trump himself — got ahead only because they gamed the system. Inevitably, it leads to calls for more government intervention. And, it is untrue.
People aren’t suffering because the economy is “rigged.” They’re suffering because the free market is being smothered by Washington regulations, mandates, taxes and interference.
It would be nice if one of the leading presidential candidates understood this distinction.
In Colorado, they didn’t even bother with a popular vote. Are we supposed to believe that they hoped for or encouraged every party member to show up at those meetings?
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Actually they publicized the meetings, Trump knew the rules they had been announced last august, your want to run the country? Put on your big boy pants and go and compete. Instead of running a Reality TV show and whining like a Kardashian when things don’t go your way.
How is he gonna deal with the Chinese and ISIS when he can’t run a coherent campaign.
“However as usually true the people will have the last laugh, and it won’t be pretty.”
‘Sounds like the Obama election to me and there is little difference in the way they ran their campaigns on a few soundbites(remember “hope and change” as compared to “Make America great again”?) They are both petulant foot stamping children when they don’t get their way and they are both narcisstic autocrats. Trump even said if he ever ran, it would be as a Republican because they are stupid. Even his kids are registered dems. You’re right—get out the popcorn
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