Posted on 03/31/2016 8:20:36 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
“I pointed out this instability in the 1237 rule in opposition to calls at the time by Trump supporters that the rule be relaxed in their favor if Trump failed to win a majority of delegates..........”
I agree with you. The rules should not be revised mid-game regardless of the candidate a person supports.
The issue I have with a convention that is brokered is that if either Mr Trump or Senator Cruz is not nominated on the first ballot then the nominee will be someone like Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney. This would effectively disenfranchise all of the Cruz and Trump voters.
I still feel that the eventual outcome will be that either Mr Trump or Senator Cruz will get close enough to the nomination that they can make a deal of some sort with John Kasich or possibly even Marco Rubio for the VP slot and use his delegates to put them over the top.
I apologize if this angers you, but I reject the premise that trump is the only change to the status quo.
Whatever you currently think of Cruz is likely seen through the lens of desiring trump and the current rhetoric.
I also reject the article’a premise that the GOP is willing to go full self destruct to avoid having Cruz or trump on the ballot in November.
They may be jackasses in disguise but shutting them both out could lead to a Trump/Cruz third-party run that would be unstoppable. These people may be turds but they aren’t stupid.
If Trump has a majority he can hold on to the rule.
There are a minimum of 3 delegates per primary race that are NOT chosen by the candidate, but are chosen by the party bosses. That is 171 delegates that may be obligated to vote for a candidate but are NOT obligated to protect that candidates issues on rules changes. Then there are the shenanigans about “at-large” and even district level delegates being “assigned” to vote Trump but not necessarily Trump loyalists for rule changes.
If the establishment doesn’t wake up soon and stop this nonsense of defying the voters, they are going to find themselves the heads of a party with no members. Even if we all unite behind their candidate and beat the immediate threat of Hillary or Bernie or Biden, the exodus will still happen and in 2018 they will lose the House.
Immediately after this election they could be patting themselves on the back right up until the big news story is the formation of a new party and the mass re-registration away from the GOP.
If Trump has 1327 and you hold your ground they can do nothing
Not without Cruz voters. Trump goes 3rd party alone he’ll be giving the election to the democrats.
We don’t have a democracy.
A Republican should know that...
Please do not use the word “fair”. It is the worst word in our language.
Fair has absolutely no meaning other than what the listener gives it. The word is a tool of liars and fiends. (democrats) it is a rhetorical device that should be banned from the language.
Nothing can ever be “fair” to the voters as we all think we are the arbitrator of what “fair” actually is.
The word disgusts me.
Those aren't "shenanigans" - it is the way delegates are selected. The primary or caucus determines who the delegate is obligated to vote for on the first ballot. But the actual delegates are usually selected at state party conventions weeks after the primary. Some states allow the candidates to submit slates of delegates, but in others, the delegates run for election in precinct, county and state conventions. So a candidate has to have a good organization AFTER the primary to get as many of his supporters selected as delegates as possible. Trump is just discovering this apparently.
Take SC for example - Trump won all 50 delegates. But in order to be selected as a delegate, you had to have attended the state convention in 2015 - months before Trump even jumped into the race. So the likelihood that the Trump delegates in that state will actually be Trump supporters is slim and none.
Every four years when a convention is convened, the delegates assembled approve a set of rules to govern that convention. Until the new rules are approved, the existing rules remain in effect. Existing rules require a majority vote to adopt any change. There is nothing unusual this year, including the jockeying for advantage by the various factions. The thing to remember is that any rule adopted will apply to every candidate equally.
If a rule was approved to require 2000 votes for nomination, that rule would not only apply to Mr. Trump but to any other candidate including this mystery establishment person so many people fear is looming out there. If, as some desire, the rule was changed to nominate someone with less than a majority, that rule would apply equally also. It would be foolhardy to do so as that could easily result in a tie while a tie is not possible with a majority vote rule.
We have to be patient and let this thing play out. When the actual vote is taken, all 2475 delegates certified to the convention will have an equal vote. The number of delegates for each of the three remaining candidate being talked about now is only an estimate and does not include those previously allocated to candidates who dropped out. We will not know who those unbound delegates support until the formal ballot is taken. In the end, the person who gets the nomination must get more delegates to vote for them than anyone else, whatever that number may be.
“Please do not use the word “fair”. It is the worst word in our language.”
That is such a sad post you made Outlaw76...your negative outlook truly is sad.
You do know each word is a symbol and most have subjective meanings...but a general meaning as well. Fair implies moral, good, and honest. Just because some pervert the meaning doesn’t take away the real meaning of the word.
Take heart, there really is a lot of fairness in the world Outlaw76!
The mask is coming off the two party sham.
What new logo? I went to Trump’s facebook page. There’s no new logo there.
Then he's a fool.
Where are you seeing that. The GOP put up a website for a contested convention.
You have equated “party” with “voters”, where many of us see “party” equated to “establishment”.
If 20 million primary voters have voted for Trump and the next closest candidate only received 15 million votes — or wasn’t even in the primaries — but ends up the nominee because a few HUNDRED delegates voted their “conscience” then the voters have been screwed out of the process. Because in most cases those delegates were not directly voted on by millions of primary voters to represent them — those delegates really are the result of “backroom deals” by small groups of party (establishment) faithful.
The GOP as a major party will be OVER. The big news story in early August will be the mass exodus from the GOP and voter re-registration into other parties.
Still hate it.
What’s moral to the slave master is amoral to the slave.
Ummmm.... Did you forget that Trump wants to be the nominee of the Republican party? If so, he has to do it by their rules. Otherwise, he could try to go independent (though that would be almost impossible at this point with sore loser laws and filing deadlines).
But Trump stops the entrenched elites in their tracks, so Hillary sound better to the GOPe.
“The word disgusts me.”
Are you sure you’re being fair?
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