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ATF finishes probe of guns in Waco biker clash
Chron.com ^ | 3/8/2016 | Dane Schiller

Posted on 03/08/2016 2:25:56 PM PST by Elderberry

Federal authorities have finished their testing and review of 151 firearms, as well as bullet fragments and cartridge cases, recovered from the deadly biker clash last year at the Twin Peaks in Waco.

The work was done by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives at the request of Waco Police, who are leading the investigation of the incident,

"We are just processing it for them; we are not making investigation decisions," said Special Agent Nicole Strong, of the ATF's Houston Division. "Now it is up to the police department to determine what they do with that information."

McLennan County authorities contend the clash was rooted in an ongoing beef between the Bandidos and Cossacks motorcycle clubs as well as their supporters.

The ATF looked into whether the guns had been used in previous crimes, as well as traced who first purchased them, to who had possession of them during the May clash.

Authorities have yet to say who they believe fired the first shot, let alone sort out who among the bikers was acting as an aggressor and who was acting in self-defense.

Most of the guns had not been fired, but were handed over by the bikers.

Lucien Haag, a New Mexico-based firearms and ballistics expert, contends that even with the ballistics and related work completed, it might be tough to know for sure who fired which gun or under what circumstances.

He said, for example, that a biker could say that amid the chaos he grabbed a gun that was left on the ground and sought to defend himself but did not realize that it had just been used to shoot someone else and dropped.

Some guns are a lot easier to connect to bullets than others, and bullets that have bounced off walls,

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; biker; texas; waco
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1 posted on 03/08/2016 2:25:56 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

IBTG


2 posted on 03/08/2016 2:29:38 PM PST by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: Elderberry
as well as traced who first purchased them

In CA this would not have been a problem since we have mandatory registration of handguns and long guns.

3 posted on 03/08/2016 2:32:22 PM PST by umgud
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To: umgud

Did you forget the sarcasm tag?


4 posted on 03/08/2016 2:33:14 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Cruz=VAT tax= No thanks.)
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To: Elderberry

Fox and hen house. The ATF were already set up on spot that day.


5 posted on 03/08/2016 2:37:58 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: umgud

Would your mandatory registration show the first buyer of an old handgun, first purchased in another state, then resold, and then ended up in your state. And then finally registered when the first CA buyer bought it?


6 posted on 03/08/2016 2:38:00 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

That whole debacle was CAUSED by ATF and Waco police.


7 posted on 03/08/2016 2:38:12 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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"Most of the guns had not been fired, but were handed over by the bikers. "

Well......., There's a Problem.....

8 posted on 03/08/2016 2:38:15 PM PST by Paladin2
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I wonder if they also tested the police weapons?


9 posted on 03/08/2016 2:41:00 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

Citizen, you have been wondering too much of late. Please report to Bill Errs “Work Makes you Free” Kamp....


10 posted on 03/08/2016 2:48:04 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: umgud
I have a Colt Thuer Derringer.

Do you think the ATF could identify the original owner?

11 posted on 03/08/2016 2:51:03 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: Paladin2
Is it?

Far far from home far far from home?

12 posted on 03/08/2016 2:54:51 PM PST by Elderberry
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Most of the guns had not been fired, but were handed over by the bikers.

Worth repeating, but as you say, There's a problem.

Every single one of the owners of these weapons have been indicted. Additionally, some unknown number of indicted suspects were not armed when they went to the Twin Peaks Restaurant. What is you next step Mr. Prosecutor? If I were you, I would be telling the county authorities that they better raise taxes, because the civil suits coming out of this debacle is going to cost the taxpayers a bundle.

13 posted on 03/08/2016 2:58:04 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Elderberry
I wonder if they also tested the police weapons?

Why? That would be silly!

14 posted on 03/08/2016 3:06:56 PM PST by null and void (This is "They live", and most people would rather fight you than put on the glasses...)
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To: Elderberry

later..


15 posted on 03/08/2016 3:13:11 PM PST by JJ_Folderol ( Get used to saying President Clinton again.)
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To: bgill
The ATF were already set up on spot that day.

Yeah, and odd that they didn't have any video equipment set up, as simple as it is these days.

16 posted on 03/08/2016 3:25:59 PM PST by existtoexcel
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To: Elderberry

They tested 151 firearms “recovered”?

What about the 100 or so “authorized” and “issued” weapons?

/S


17 posted on 03/08/2016 3:35:02 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: backwoods-engineer

How is that?


18 posted on 03/08/2016 3:37:54 PM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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19 posted on 03/08/2016 3:45:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Elderberry

Pre 1968 GCA firearms are pretty much invisible. But once the 4473 and bound book requirements came in, the ATF can go to the manufacturer and find out where the gun was originally shipped (distributor, shop) and then find the original purchaser in the bound book. After than the trail can grow cold, but the newer the weapon, the more likely they can follow it.


20 posted on 03/08/2016 3:51:47 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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