Posted on 03/04/2016 9:55:37 AM PST by King of Florida
That suit was thrown out on a technicality.
“A Natural Born Citizen is one who, due to the particular and unique circumstances of his or her birth, is naturally a part of the society and community into which he or she is born; a natural born citizen thereof.”
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Due to foreign national parents and/or foreign birthplace, neither Cruz nor Rubio are naturally a US citizen, they both has other citizenships. They are citizens due to US laws, but are not natural born citizens.
Cool. Too bad the Constitution says he is NOT eligible. "Natural Born" means that at least his father was an American-born citizen, as our forfathers rightly believed that a son would have a natural allegiance to his FATHER's land of national origin.
JimRob is a great guy, and even quite prescient about many things. But, if he said Cruz is eligible, he got this one WRONG.
The "Donald" should have a field day with this!
I agree with you 100%. Rubio was born here but his parents weren’t under the jurisdiction of the U.S. because they had allegiance to Cuba. They claim to be refugees but no proof of that because they didn’t ask for political asylum.
Cruz was born to a parent overseas. Does that mean (and there must be tens of thousands of them at least) left behind children in Vietnam, Japan, and every where else could come here one day and be eligible to be president of this country? Lest you say they have to prove it, DNA would certainly do that.
Can we agee that a person who is a US citizen at birth is thereby considered NBC? If so then Cruz is NBC and courts will continue to rule as so or throw out challenges. Below is a link to an American law writing on citizenship through birth abroad.
http://www.americanlaw.com/citabrd.html
it’ll be interesting to see why the case isn’t thrown out due to a lack of standing (as all the 0bama cases have)
The case will be dismissed on some technicality, real or otherwise, and the Cruzeros will swoon with delight, waving the Order of dismissal like a bloody shirt, like Obamabots celebrating a birther failure-to-launch.
You are free to make that argument, of course, but you won't sell me. I think that in both cases you mention have circumstances of their births indicate a natural citizenship to the USA. Far stronger in Cruz's case because of the jus sanguinis element missing in Rubio's circumstances. In Cruz's case, he was naturally a US citizen and a Canadian one by virtue of Canadian citizenship law. In Rubio's case, he is in the position of being a US Citizen due to several very questionable court cases which elevated jus soli above jus sanguinis quite contrary to the Framers' intent.
I think not
“Can we agee that a person who is a US citizen at birth is thereby considered NBC?”
Congrats on presenting a classic example of `question begging’: To beg a question means to assume the conclusion of an argument—a type of circular reasoning. This is an informal fallacy, in which an arguer includes the conclusion to be proven within a premise of the argument, often in an indirect way such that its presence within the premise is hidden or at least not easily apparent.
But here it’s not all indirect, it’s right there: “Won’t you just agree with us that Cruz is eligible?”
No, we cannot agree. You are saying that we should treat ‘natural born citizenship’ as US citizenship; that there should be no distinction between the two terms.
The only way we can agree to what you propose is if we amend Article 2, section 1, clause 5 of the US Constitution which mentions two types of citizenship.
See, Cruz was a Canadian citizen until he was 43 years old, when he renounced his Canadian citizenship just before filing to run for US president.
So we’re not even sure if he’s an American citizen and eligible to be a US senator, eh?
It’s past frustrating guys. It’s reached the point where its like trying to play 3-D chess with orangutans, it’s like discussing algebra with an Irish setter ... this intentional stupidity.
“You do know the founder of Free Republic said that Cruz is eligible and ..”
Ad baculum (`to the stick’), appeal to consequences logical fallacies. Maybe more.
The founder thinks for himself, and allows others here to think for themselves (as long as we don’t go `full retard’), and so we do think for ourselves.
OK, we screwed up and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and became sentient creatures, well, there is an up side.
Robotic, lock-step thinking is a Marco, DU thing. Think for yourself katie.
One cannot naturally be a US citizen when one can be something else.
It's just not faiyuh!!!!! WHEN will some court SOMEWHERE (in the US I mean) recognize what every Birther just KNOWS TO BE TRUE because he halucinates REAL HARD that his notion is somehow true (By God man, gimme them lapels, dammit, the furriners are taking over!!!)?
The courts are useless. Just a bunch of lawyuhs!!! Just because Birthers are too lazy or incompetent to do the political work of electing an acceptably CONSERVATIVE candidate for POTUS doesn't mean that liberal judges should not serve as lightning from the sky to zap them furriners for them, especially when the furriners are not Obozo.
By analogy, there are those who believe with all their hearts that ANYONE who might deviate in the slightest from their own personal interpretation of Scripture cannot possibly be welcomed into heaven. If God disagrees with them, He must be wrong because they cannot possibly be wrong. "I can tell you that!!!"
What you personally think "natural born citizen" may mean or what some long dead Swiss philosopher thought or whatever does not "hurt the feelings" of any emotionally stable non-snowflake person. That you keep repeating your fallacy, a million times a million times, will make it no more likely to be true. It stands or fails on its own and it does not stand.
Birtherism is soooooo tiresome. AND such a waste of time and effort compared to actual issues. That you have nothing better to be concerned about after 7 year of Obozo and "Republican" quislings currently running House and Senate and selling out the voters who elected them as they don their kneepads for the Wall Street, K Street, US Chamber of Corrupt Crony Commerce crowd, says more about you than you should want to concede.
No, we cannot! The definition of NBC is not open to discussion, nor the result of someone's deeply felt personal opinion or hormonal balance/imbalance on a given week of the month.
A "Natural Born Citizen" of the USA as defined by the Founders in The Federalist Papers is a child born in America to a father who is himself a "Natural Born" citizen of the USA.
PERIOD. End of factual portion of discussion. Do your homework!
” he was naturally a US citizen and a Canadian one by virtue of Canadian citizenship law. “
Hence, he is not a natural born citizen. He is a US citizen because of a law, not because of nature. Rubio is an anchor baby.
The founders tried to prevent Obama from being sworn in as President. It is on us that we ignored the requirement.
He should be proof enough of the wisdom of the founders in requiring someone who can ONLY be a US citizen and nothing else.
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